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    Hi Julian,

    Your upper pitcher sure looks different from mine but the lower pitcher looks the same. Was your plant labeled N. tobaica or ventricosa x khasiana? No one seems to be sure what the parentage of this plant is exept the nursery and they aren't giving up the lineage.

    Glenn

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    Hi Glenn
    It was ment to be a Khasiana at the time of purchase but as we can see that is not the case.
    Bye for now Julian

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    I'll probibly have to wait until it gets bigger to tell for sure.

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    Hi Folks,
    Glenn, the plant pictured is sold as N. tobaica, but is obviously not. Joachim has pictured a true N. tobaica, which is best described as a highland gracilis. It occupies the eco-niche as gracilis, but it's found at higher altitudes.
    The plant you have comes from a large European nursery, R. Deroose, and is obviously a complex hybrid. As you can see from Julian's picture, there is more to it than simply ventricosa x khasiana. This begs the question: Why call it N. tobaica? Why not N. khasicosa, or ventriana, or N. 'Tiger Lips'[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img]?
    Maybe the reason they call it 'tobaica' (err) is because tobaica was used in making the hybrid, and typical of other DeRoose hybrids, they named it after the mother plant used to produce the seed that went into tc. When N. 'Miranda' was first introduced, it was sold as N. maxima 'Miranda'. This was later shortened to simply N. 'Miranda'. This strongly implies that N. maxima was the pod parent (mother) of N. Miranda. Dad was almost certainly N. Mixta Superba.
    The stoutand vigorous Nep we all call N. ventrata is sold as N. alata...and following the DeRoose naming methodogy, alata was the mother, and ventricosa was the father.
    Hopefully this sheds some light on these hybrids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (chesara @ June 07 2005,1:50)]Hi Glen
    Her is a lower and upper on my Khasiana x Ventricosa what do you reckon?

    The lower is a pitcher that a basal shoot off the mother plant and the upper is off the mother plant ,or should i say father plant as its a male.
    Bye for now julian
    I believe this is a photo of Deroos' N. tobaica. This is the TC clone massed produced and sold everywhere. Anyone wants to elaborate on this? I do not believe its a ventricosa crossed with khasiana. Pitcher/plant seems too small for having both of these larger growing parents.

    But upper pitchers of this is not speckled as indicated by your previous post.

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    Hi
    HHmmm wonder what its true parents are then? The uppers do have stripes just very watered down.I suppose its one of those questions that we will never know for sure. oh well its a nice grower and i like it thats the main thing [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
    Bye for now Julian

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    Our plants of this hybrid display the speckling once up to size and established. Julian's plant is very green for the Deroose plant, especially with pitchers that size. If it is the Deroose clone, his cultural conditions are certainly resulting in a different looking plant from what we get in our conditions, which look like Glenn's plant. The upper trap in Glenn's photo looks like it could have been taken in our greenhouse.

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    I don't think mine looks like the true species. It looks much more like N. khansiana x. ventracosa

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