slight variation in color and physical appearance.The previous is brownish red,the later yellowish spotted red.Natural hybridisation,maybe.I will made another trip to find out.Both are in the same locality.:laugh:
That one definitely looks like gracilis x northiana.
Troy, one that previous plant, do you think the leaves look too broad for a pure gracilis?-- Which is why I suggested the (gracilis x (gracilis x northiana)) I would certainly defer to your opinion on it, knowing you have probably seen thousands of individual gracilis plants in habitat.
I have another photo taken in the same location(Bau Limestone Hills)the place where our big brother(N.northiana)live .Does it look like the previous
two?I can see slight differences-small,slender but the peristome show same feature.
Michael, I don't think that's always the case. Whilst northiana hybrids often have a more flared peristome, it does depend on the species with which it hybridises. For example, N. x cincta, a natural hybrid between northiana and albomarginata, is almost indistinguishable from albomarginata, such is albomarginata's peristome's genetic dominance. It is a great "quasher" of peristomes of species with which it is hybridised. I've seen other albomarginata hybrids which have completely quashed a showy peristome of the other parent. I don't know about gracilis, but it could be a similar thing.
Hamish..since *N.albomarginata was mentioned i have a photo of it below. What is your view and from your experience.I have shown it around and search from books but non that they came across like this one(esp the speckles).Again Photo shot in northiana's territory -Bau limestone hill(Gold mountain the local called it).
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The photo is a bit small so it's hard to see, and even with pictures of the whole plant, gee, I could only make an educated guess. Seeing it in the wild helps, as you can tell whether it's the only one of its kind in the area (which would lean towards it being a hybrid), and what else is growing nearby. That can give you a lot of clues. Personally, I don't think it's a hybrid with northiana. The colouring is reminiscent of fusca.
The other big issue is the problem with defining what is a species, and that is something that can set taxonomists into a blood fued. The plant in your picture could be a variant of albomarginata. Albomarginata has a fair bit of variation in its range. It may have some hybrid past, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
I doubt that many species are very "pure". Some species grow in very close proximity to each other, and I'm sure some of the traits that are considered part of that species have been borrowed from another species and become dominant for genetic and environmental reasons in that population. This sort of discussion happens often amongst sarraceniaphiles. *I'd put money that certain traits in both *pure* rafflesiana and ampullaria are in fact originally from the other species through introgressed x hookeriana.
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Indeed.Thank you for the feed back,am learning lots here.
Hamish, gracilis is fairly dominant. Our natural hybrid of gracilis x bicalcarata looks much more like a gracilis than a bical. We have never observed Nepenthes in their native habitat, but have observed Sarracenia, where natural hybrids show all kinds of gradations between and among species.
Robert, I think you are photographing natural hybrids of gracilis x northiana. Keep taking those pictures!
That last photo is very strange. Never seen markings on albomarginata look like that. Very unique. It may be a natural hybrid, but with what?
Also, Robert, have you seen the northiana bearing fruit?
Trent there are 2 local photographers here who only take and study nepenthes and they have the same doubt.They never come across such color and speckles.This is the only plant in the area(in northiana territory limestone hills).Other neps nearby are mirabilis,ampullaria(green) and northiana.
Yes,i often come across northiana in flowering and also those with seed pods that has exploded,some fine hair like seeds still stick to the pods.Hope this help
Hamish i post another close up of the supposely albomarginata x for clearer view.Hope this help [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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