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    Great plants & photography, Tony!
    Since your are so familiar with Malesiana: Due to their large scale production I was wondering if some of their species have always the same gender? In short can you say: Species xyz ordered from Malesiana is (so far) a female? If so, do you have examples?
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    Thanks for the comments ;>

    I wish it was so simple Volker! Now I have to think back and 1. Remember what has flowered. 2. Remember where it came from! hehe

    In all honesty I have a bad habit of not keeping many plants around for myself. So odds I will flower a particular plant are slim as the biggest usually get sold. When I have more space I would like to build up just a collection for myself! Right now I am in a holding pattern with space and able to keep things rotating but that doesn't leave much for allowing a bunch of plants to grow to their full potential.

    I can also add that in only a handful of cases can I say with certainty that a particular plant from so and so will all be the same clone. Most of the big producers have more than one clone. Some like BExotics will single out a few here and there if they are worthy. Or if it is an oddball thing that popped up luckily like N. burbidgeae x edwardsiana so there only ever was just one clone.

    I would think your best bet would be to contact the producer directly and ask if a particular species is one clone or more and if so, how many more. Or if they have a clone of known sex available. When I propagate plants from cutting I always include the sex info on the label if known. One of my goals is to have known sex cultivars available for most things. hmm should female clones be worth more [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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    Quote[/b] (Tony Paroubek @ Aug. 15 2005,8:06)]hmm should female clones be worth more [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
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    Volker, the other problem is that few vendors identify individual clones and sell them as individual clones. When you buy plants from Borneo Exotics or Malesiana, most of the time the most you know is that the plants come from a line of X number of clones. But you don't know which ones.

    So you can buy, say, 50 plants and be told that they had 24 clones in culture. But there's no way of telling whether your 50 plants are a mixture of 12 of those clones, or just of one clone. And you don't know which plant is which clone. The only time you get named clones is when they have selected a specific individual clone for a certain trait and produced it as a line. I know that Wistuba sells particular labelled clones of certain species, but there is generally only 2 or 3 clones available.

    I'm very obsessive about record keeping due to my interest in conservation. I keep a spreadsheet of all of my plants species name, varietal/location details, vendor, sex, whether plants are from TC, seed or cutting, clone ID, purchase date, etc etc. Once they've flowered, I can then take cuttings and supply them with as full a history as possible. It's a bit obsessive, but it keeps me from getting into even more mischief...
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    Wonderfull plants

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Tony Paroubek @ Aug. 16 2005,5:06)]hmm should female clones be worth more [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
    Thanks for your answers! Tony, imagine the price for a loving Nepenthes couple... Selling two instead of one plant of each species. This way the local species-seed production could be boosted, too.
    Quite amazed that you are giving away your biggest plants. My policy is to sell the 2nd biggest and keep the biggest to brainwash people how nice those boring seedlings can get later Plus the prettiest, strongest, fastest plants can be selected that way. But hey, I am not selling much yet.
    I agree, it would be nice to have known clones, localities and genders and then get rid of everything else. Might take a life, but maybe it's worth it
    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img] . Is Nepenthes-TC always done from seed, or has there been successful propagation from meristematic (growth-tip) cells already? In short: Can you do a clone/gender preserving TC on Nepenthes?
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    At the moment all Nepenthes tissue culture is done from seed, as seed is the only disease-free material that seems to work. Adult material contaminates in vitro. However, I have heard rumours of recent success with meristem tissue culture, but these reports are hearsay and I remain to be convinced.
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    depending on species i would generally be willing to pay more for a known and documented female. funny thing is at the moment im looking for males more than females. specifically a nicely striped N. veitchii male cutting to pair up with the female i have.
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