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    US retailers (rant warning)

    I actually wrote this up as a PM rant to many of the Terra utric growers and decided I'd post it as a topic (understanding that it might get censored)(but knowing it doesn't mention any US retailers specifically...)

    It almost seems unfair that the Europeans have such an embarrassment of riches. In addition to retail shops that carry all sorts of goodies, there are regularly, growers who post their spares for a song. Here's one right now.

    With Neps, we seem to have equality but with other CPs - especially Sarrs & Utrics, we aren't even close. It's hard to grasp that a country our size cannot generate enough interest to get even a few existing retailers to add some decent Utrics - heck the Nep sellers already have existing highland conditions .... is it really true that even selling the occasional U. quelchii for $20-40 can't justify the small space on an existing highland shelf?

    Sorry - just needed to vent when I saw all of those utrics and their cheap prices ....
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    You guys got something we dont, chrome wire shelving :P
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    I....FEEEL.....THE PAAAAAAAAAAIN!
    seriously, US. please get some U. reticulata, U. menziesii, U. dunlopii, and U. campbelliana PLZ....
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    Yeah, I think it's stupid that the country that Sarrs are from has less selection than the EU where growers will have something like a good 20 location-data labeled S.leucos. I think they just have more wilderness explorers with import permits (that are maybe easier to get there?) over the pond or something.

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    Don't you guys have laws limiting trade in sarrs?
    Here we dont have sarrs so you can do whatever you want with them.
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    has to do with interest.....interest in growing and hybridizing orchids and the like has had a very long time root in Europe, same with growing and hybridizing Neps.....while ppl in the US put alot of energy growing and expanding their new country and having a civil war the europeans were building greenhouses and sending explorers to the far corners of the world looking for new plant species...... add that to the fact the Gulf Stream keeps western Europe alot warmer than most of the US though they are farther north and alot more individuals were easily able to grow the various plants.....

    in short the Europeans had a heck of a head start on us.......most Americans didnt get interested in houseplants and the like till the mid 50's, whole lot of Europeans began their interest over 100 years earlier.....
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    What is really needed to increase the availability of different Utricularia species are growers who actively seek out new material from sympathetic European interests and then widely share it with the all too few enthusiasts here in the US. There is little interest in the genus so it's not profitable. A lot of the species going around here came from the generosity of Tim Malcom in Canada who was very much such a person. Tim wrote to growers all over the world and obtained many previously unobtainable species via trade and eventually shared them with some good bets here, like Pyro and myself known for our sharing ethic. We spread them around and around!
    One of the problems with shelling out a lot of money for a plant is that it generates a sort of reluctance to share freely what cost you dearly, and also at the same time provides an ego boost to those "special" or "chosen" ones who have what no one else has. Until these mental shackles can be thrown off, distribution of rare species will be very slow indeed especially in this genus, and this genus was made to share since they take well to division!
    So much depends on so few individuals like Tim. We need more interested and proactive growers of this fantastic genus of plants. One way to do this is to be active with your own collections and actually try to arouse interest by seeking out new growers and sending out as many plants as you can as often as you can. Maybe you'll inspire another Tim Malcom or at the very least you'll make a lot of people happy. Many European contacts have few postal restrictions and would gladly receive new material and will respond in kind. In my day I had one of the best collections in the US and I never spent (or made) a dime in the process so I know this works!
    SO please, take the time to divide and send while the weather still permits, at least to growers here in the US!
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    Well said!

    Wow!
    Well said Tamlin ...and VERY accurate!

    There are many people here who will trade, and many who will share outright,
    and even a few people here who have given VERY freely and even offered without being asked!

    Some very special people, and very special friends here! But they are not to be taken advantage of!
    No one wants to be used, especially by someone new or who only stops in to see what they can get from others. As some of you know, that sort of thing really bothers me, for it ruins things for everyone! It does take time to see who is "sincere" and who is not, but it can be done.

    The one thing I don't think many people realize, is that with habitat destruction (among other things), that the future of many of these plants is in OUR hands! So when you freely propagate and share these plants with others, especially the expensive and rare ones, that you are not only helping other people, you are actually helping these plants to HAVE a future in this world!

    Experience is the best teacher. At least it used to be.
    But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.


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