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    @RSS: you jest, but i think you're on to something. your leaves are much more greener! mine has yet to flower. im also thinking about dividing it and placing it into a glass cube like the others. it takes way too much space.
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    I've taken divisions from that planter and rooted them in that tank, moved them over to a higher light tank and the new growths started hugging the medium, and have yet to flower. The humidity is also lower in the high light area so that may have something to do with it also.

    One of my "someday" projects will be growing U. nephrophylla as a lithophytic.

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    @RSS: mine are at the bottom of the tank, least amount of light possible....i only recently made them waterlogged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    . . .
    2008 Travis Wyman CPN article on growing Orchidioides - not available (what's up with that??) . . .
    This article is available to ICPS members. All I needed to do was download a PDF copy of the correct issue; Carniv. Pl. Newslett. 37(3):68-74. Then I could read the entire article including the photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Av8tor1 View Post
    FWIW my souce of the 4x4x4 net baskets is http://www.petblvd.com/cgi-bin/pb/ES...?mv_pc=froogle
    Since potting up several plants in these a few months ago, I've been very impressed with the plant's growth. Other than the eventual issues of repotting/dividing & invading neighboring pots, I love them! I find it interesting that already we see some growers using undrained pots, some regular pots and some net pots .... it should continue to be interesting as we see how all the plants grow...
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    wonder if Nicole ever treads this way?
    No documented sightings but as you note we need to be sure it is not for lack of an invitation...
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    This thread needs more pics, so I'll help out.
    Agreed! Pics are always a good thing!! I'll try to slip in some here & there when I get a chance. Some of the pots aren't too accessible as I stick little pots full of LFS under wandering aerial roots for propagation.

    For now, here's a quick snap of my 75 (1st) & 40 gal (below) tanks that currently house ~90% of my non-weedy utrics (these are in my basement and not exactly in 'presentation' condition). I consolidated multiple 10 gal tanks into these two while also repotting several clones into much larger 4"x4" net pots to try them out. While I was quite comfortable managing humidity in the smaller tanks, I have yet to get a handle on it with the larger ones. In a 10 gal, there seemed to be less stratification from top to bottom of the tank ....



    ... and this little humbo (BCP - misc clone) in a cup in another tank caught my eye. I threw a small root (rolon?) fragment into some moss some time ago and it has slowly grown into a mini-plant. Recently it has popped up 2 leaves which are much wider than the others. I love that tendency with the U. humboldtii - while most leaves are the normal paddle shape, some are extra skinny or extra wide and some are just odd (I've got to snap a few pics of the 'odd' ones...).


    Speaking of leaf diversity (although a slightly different vein), here's a pic I snapped of U. humboldtii ferns & bladders growing up from the mini-water tray the pot sits in. The different leaves, bladders that get huge and aerial stolons that sneak everywhere - humbo's are cool!


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    Next is a U. endresii in the mix above, I have started 2 other pots of this stuff with just a leaf cutting, like you can do with U. longifolia. A few of the leaves (due to my carelessness) have fallen off and they started rooting in the bottom of the vivarium on the hydroton.
    Belanger has a CPN article on this and I've only really tried it with a U. quelchii leaf that came detached from BCP - so far, it appears to be a complete failure...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Clemens View Post
    This article is available to ICPS members. All I needed to do was download a PDF copy of the correct issue; Carniv. Pl. Newslett. 37(3):68-74. Then I could read the entire article including the photos.
    So that explains it - thank you. The newest few years are members only - so I could get it but not share it....
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    @Ron - How do you have the 75 setup with those cut up plastic bottles, are they just a way to raise up the plants? Are all of your pots sitting on LFS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    @Ron - How do you have the 75 setup with those cut up plastic bottles, are they just a way to raise up the plants? Are all of your pots sitting on LFS?
    I originally set up the tank with the right half dedicated to utrics in the 4x4 net pots and the left part attempting to duplicate the 10gal tank environment. On the left side, I set up a 'floor' of glass sheets on plastic bottles at the same height as the floor of a 10 gal (same distance from lights)(roughly). Just like in my 10 gal tanks, I line the space between pots with live LFS. It keeps the humidity in a reasonable range and acts as a visual indicator of low humidity.

    However, I realized I had too many net pots and needed some of the other space so the left side has a raised platform roughly in the shape of an 'L'. The rear left half of the tank is all raised platform and the front is 50% raised platform (left 50%). On this raised platform are a bunch of the utrics I'm holding for a friend, little propagation pots, the baby U. 'Jitka' (which has been adding leafs recently!!), the U. jamesoniana and misc other smaller stuff (N. izumae seedlings...)(although there is one U. reniformis that is no longer small)...

    The net pots are all sitting on 4" plastic pots to raise them up closer to the lights. This is apparently causing my humidification stratification issues. The bottom of the tank is filled with growing LFS (and a bunch of D. prolifera thriving down there) and is nice & humid. The upper reaches of the tank are heated by the lights and don't have nearby wet LFS (at least on the right side). Looks like I need some fans or a fogger or both or .....
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    This plant has not reacted well to the same feeding schedule. But to be honest it is also getting the least amount of light compared to the others (significant difference) So its ability to utilize the extra nutrients cannot be the same. Mea Culpa
    Interesting manifestation of (potentially) excessive fertilization (not that i would have any idea of how plants should react anyway) ... of my non-Iperua Orchidioides, this plant (and the 2 U. alpina clones) have exhibited the most robust growth so far ...
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    Hi all,
    I'm new to this forum, I discovered it thanks to Ron a few months ago but I didn't have the time to post anything One of my faves are epiphytic utrics, and I thought I could share some of the growing tips I was given by other growers and experiences I gathered while growing them.

    I think You all already got what it's all about with them, and the only thing missing are some growing nuances. I would like to discuss with you the watering methods, substrates, lights, and all that stuff that varies in our collections.

    The first thing I would like to discuss is the way they grow in natural habitat - horizontally, and - vertically. Many of them grow on vertical surfaces like mossy rocks, trees and so on. The species in this group could be U.jamesoniana, U.asplundii and U.campbelliana I think (also U.unifolia? and the "U.uxoris", which is tought to be U.jamesoniana). I was growing U.campbelliana like other utrics from the group, in normal pots - and it wasn't doing well. I wondered what may be the cause, the conditions given were quite good. And then I saw some pics of this plant growing on trees in the natural habitat. I purchased a xaxim slab which is used for growing orchids, and started to grow it vertically. The results were good - here's the xaxim slab after a week or so:



    And here's the plant as for today:


    It could use mor elight but it's doing fine, a lot better when kept vertically. Longer stolons, there's also a lot of very small leaves popping out from the xaxim everywhere. The only thing to be considered as negative is that I can't transplant it now, the stolons have grown into the slab. The plant has got something like a life cycle under my condtions - a lot of new leaves appears, they lat for a few months and then they die back. The cycle repeats itself. I think the method could suit the other utrics in the group but unfortunately I never had an opportunity to get U.jamesoniana or asplundii in trade.

    Damn, looks like I'm a bore so maybe I'll stop for today and write something about other epyphitic ones I grow within the next days

    Peter

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    @peter: seems to me that the ex section Iperua, or at least the majority of its clones can be grown in waterlogged conditions. the other members of orchidioides prefer more drier conditions as well. the way how you are growing campbelliana seems to support this.
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    That's true, but the interesting thing is that when I kept it horizontally it received the same ammounts of water. There must be some reason for which the plant is found mainly on vertical surfaces.

    Peter

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