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    shock and awe!
    Very nice work Ron!
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    I found this post that has some info on the requirements of individual species: http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index...howtopic=45007 about midway through the first page. Maybe something like that could be added to the first post here (especially since it seems like Orchioides utrics and what used to be Iperua utrics require different growing conditions). It would be helpful for growers who are just starting out with one species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanukimo View Post
    I found this post that has some info on the requirements of individual species: http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index...howtopic=45007 about midway through the first page.
    I added a link to that thread under the "Growing" section in the 1st post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanukimo View Post
    Maybe something like that could be added to the first post here (especially since it seems like Orchioides utrics and what used to be Iperua utrics require different growing conditions). It would be helpful for growers who are just starting out with one species.
    I've considered doing that but haven't because:
    - by nature of me posting it, it would need to be my methods since they are the only ones I can vouch for (having seen them work) - however, as we've seen in this long thread - different methods work for some people
    - we have a number of approaches that have been shared throughout the thread - it doesn't feel right for me to (somewhat arbitrarily) choose one (whether mine or someone else's) & list it in the beginning
    - listing one approach may keep someone from trying other methods - for example, I read that thread (& others) that stated U. reniformis & U. humboldtii 'require' higher humidity to survive. Reading that strong assertion, kept me from trying those plants on my windowsill for years. Once I gave up & placed both species on my low-humidity, hot-in-summer, cold-in-winter windowsill - I had my first flowers from both within six months (my personal experiences diverge from several other posts in that thread also - ie: while U. geminiloba grows well for me - it still has not bloomed in my care. If it's unwilling to flower, it's obviously missing something & therefore not having it's requirements met. Therefore - not an 'easy' species - imho (similar to U. tricolor)).
    - isn't that what this whole thread is about? Sharing info on what works, what doesn't, ideas for the future, etc, etc, etc. Heck, Mobile & RSS are constantly pushing the boundaries for new media, lighting, enclosures ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    I added a link to that thread under the "Growing" section in the 1st post.

    I've considered doing that but haven't because:
    - by nature of me posting it, it would need to be my methods since they are the only ones I can vouch for (having seen them work) - however, as we've seen in this long thread - different methods work for some people
    - we have a number of approaches that have been shared throughout the thread - it doesn't feel right for me to (somewhat arbitrarily) choose one (whether mine or someone else's) & list it in the beginning
    - listing one approach may keep someone from trying other methods - for example, I read that thread (& others) that stated U. reniformis & U. humboldtii 'require' higher humidity to survive. Reading that strong assertion, kept me from trying those plants on my windowsill for years. Once I gave up & placed both species on my low-humidity, hot-in-summer, cold-in-winter windowsill - I had my first flowers from both within six months (my personal experiences diverge from several other posts in that thread also - ie: while U. geminiloba grows well for me - it still has not bloomed in my care. If it's unwilling to flower, it's obviously missing something & therefore not having it's requirements met. Therefore - not an 'easy' species - imho (similar to U. tricolor)).
    - isn't that what this whole thread is about? Sharing info on what works, what doesn't, ideas for the future, etc, etc, etc. Heck, Mobile & RSS are constantly pushing the boundaries for new media, lighting, enclosures ....
    That makes sense. I guess there isn't a set method for growing these plants. I had a general description on the conditions favorable to each species in mind, but it seems like even those can be varied with different results. Above all, it is probably experimenting that allows us to understand these plants better.

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    The U. campbelliana is in full flower (except for a new stalk that is undeveloped) so I brought it out to snap some pics
    Slab & flowers


    Flowers front


    Flowers side


    While taking pics & then pollinating the flowers, I noticed that this flower is different from all the other Orchidioides that I've played with: 1) there is almost no hinge (with the other species the hinge is very pronounced), 2) there is a distance between the stigma flap & the anthers & 3) there is a tunnel of sorts in which the stigma flap is parked dead center & even visible from the outside

    The shiny piece visible in the tunnel is the flap. I had read that this species may be hummingbird pollinated vs insect. While I don't have enough info to know if this is true, the colors and unique adaptations from the other species would certainly suggest the possibility.
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    spectacular! no other word to describe those flowers.
    Thanks Ron! always impressed with your posts.
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    WOW, spectacular.

    I know it will spoil the illusion, but any chance of seeing the actual set-up you have the campy in? I can see you have it on a slab in a tray. I can also see that it has a preference to the wet end, as does my one on a sponge where the leaves seem to prefer to grow on the waterline of even under it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobile View Post
    I know it will spoil the illusion, but any chance of seeing the actual set-up you have the campy in? I can see you have it on a slab in a tray.
    LOL - I think I shattered whatever 'illusion' there might be by just posting these pics. The treefern slab sits in this small plastic tray in a 10 gal tank sitting on my basement floor (to stay 'extra' cool in my basement). The slab leans against the back wall. Yes - definitely a ghetto setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by mobile View Post
    I can also see that it has a preference to the wet end, as does my one on a sponge where the leaves seem to prefer to grow on the waterline of even under it.
    This part continues to shock me. I originally used this setup - figuring that water wicking up the treefern & moss would provide at least some of the moisture & humidity the plant wanted. The original small division was placed just below half way up the slab (pic showing both original placement & developing lower satellite station). It immediately sent rolons down to the bottom & proceeded to establish itself down there & it has stayed down there & expanded. It even has offshoots that grow completely in the water (I try to keep 1/4" or less of water in the tray but it does sometimes go dry). I really didn't expect this kind of growth from a purely epiphytic utric.

    As we've seen from in-situ pics, this is not how the plant normally grows. The drooping flower stalks are another adaptation that doesn't work in this scenario. In the wild, they would just hang down from a branch or tree. In my setup, the stalks ran into live LFS - so I had to raise the slab & water tray up a few inches. Still, you can see that the bottoms of the flowers are bent-in from sitting on top of the LFS (or other stalks) since they couldn't hang down into open air.
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    Sorry for the poor quality photos, but really hard to get a good picture of the plant in situ:




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    we are not worthy....

    very well done sir, very well done.....

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