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  • #181
Hey Ron, is the photo where you say ".... and last a quick pic of one of the two alpina's currently flowering" alpina or alpina x humboldtii as the file name suggests?
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  • #182
hey Ron, do you use a drip system on the vertical slabs or just hand water and allow them to sit in a shallow tray of water?
The slab in the pics is hanging on the wall of a 75 gal tank (pic is a few posts above). This slab gets watered with a sprayer when it looks dry (sometimes daily - sometimes every few days). The small treefern slab I mentioned in response to Amp is in another tank sitting in a small container of water (~0-0.5cm deep). I've been quite surprised at how well the treefern wicks the water. Also in that smaller tank is a cork slab covered with club moss with campby growing all through it. This doesn't wick as well (duh) but I mostly spray it when the other treefern gets dry. The new 'hanging basket' with a piece of james is also in this smaller tank hanging on one of the end walls. Hopefully, I will have another hanging basket innoculated with a piece of campby for the other endwall in the coming months. Basically, I'm still experimenting with different setups ...

Hey Ron, is the photo where you say ".... and last a quick pic of one of the two alpina's currently flowering" alpina or alpina x humboldtii as the file name suggests?
Ualpinaxhumboflower052612RS.jpg
LOL - Bob - you caught me. This plant was actually given to me as a U. alpina by U. humboldtii cross with the warning that the cross may not have 'taken' & should not be considered that hybrid until it was confirmed by flower. Well, the flower confirmed that the cross didn't take & the plant is full alpina. However, to keep the several clones of alpina in my collection separated, I kept this label for the flower pic.
 
  • #183
hmmm. The seedlings of U. nelumbifolia that I have grown seem to start out with reniform leaves. I can shoot some pics. Have always wondered in the "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" saying if that suggested that reniformis was a "trunk" species in the tree and nelumbifolia was a branch or leaf ...
 
  • #184
@mobile: what is your campby mounted on? Roughly how thick is the moss layer? That's a different species of moss from what's on mine.
It's the mix that it came in and I think the substrate is coarse peat, bark, dried LFS and perlite. Only the top layer is moss and I'm not sure of the thickness.
 
  • #185
U. nelumbifolia seedlings with immature leaves.
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I see similar leaves when i stress the adult plants out
 
  • #186
U. nelumbifolia seedlings with immature leaves.
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I see similar leaves when i stress the adult plants out

I see the same with my juvenile Nelumbifolia, it seems when the leaves achieve 1" or so in width, it fill's in the gap.
I'll try to get a set of progression pic's tomorrow. I could use the entertainment of learning this new pooter!
 
  • #187
Just a quick updated pic of U. jamesoniana. Two of the lower flowers are both open so I figured I'd take it down for a few pics and try to pollinate w/ U. alpina (I don't think it worked since none of my 5 alpina flowers had any real pollen - go figure). However, it seems that each time I take the slab down I find a new stalk (now up to six). The first one was pollinated with pollen from U. asplundii and it has been acting like it 'took' - we'll see in a few weeks. In addition, I used some of the U. jamesoniana pollen to fertilize a U. asplundii - which also looks like it 'took'. a U. nephrophylla x U. alpina attempt also looks promising. Ironically, a U. asplundii x U. alpina attempt failed miserably...
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  • #188
Ron, living the Utricularia dream for all of us. :cry:

Congratulations!
 
  • #189
dont you find it annoying when the runners start popping OUT of the media? potential propagation wasted.... >.>
 
  • #190
Ron, living the Utricularia dream for all of us. :cry:
:-))
dont you find it annoying when the runners start popping OUT of the media? potential propagation wasted.... >.>
Not so much w/ james since they aren't really invasive. I do dislike how many the otherOrchidioides put out since they invade the other pots pretty quickly. I try to keep similar plants away from each other but it's tough. Overall, it's just part of growing utrics. ??? Otoh, when I want more of the aerial roots for propagation (like with campby), there are none around. :censor:

Here's a pic of my 1st harvest of U. jamesoniana seed (u. james x U. asplundii) that I collected on the 4th. The seeds are sitting on a 1mm grid (actually a bit less than 1 mm) - very much like dust. :0o: Here's some infertile U. asplundii seed for comparison and some very different U. nephrophylla seed.
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Potential good news on the U. james by alpina pollination attempt as both flowers quickly aborted their flowers after the cross. Now we get to wait & see what happens... Unlike with Sarrs or Neps, my attempts at crossing has shown these plants to be very idiosyncratic - many of the crosses fail & frequently at different points. Some ignore the pollen & pretend like it's not even there (ie: asplundii x alpina), some will produce seed that won't germinate (ie: asplundii (long lobe flower) x asplundii (short lobe flower)), some will self readily (ie: alpina (per buddy)), some will not self (ie: james (per buddy)), some will act like pollen was accepted & seeds are forming but have empty capsules (ie: alpina 'Pittier Moon' x asplundii iirc) and some will set seeds but much fewer than a normal pollination would produce (ie: nephro x nelumbifolia) & probably more permutations that my brain is not recalling - like the cross that produced U. 'Jitka' (quelchii x praetermissa) - produced viable seed & a healthy plant - but the plant is sterile (so far anyway).
 
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  • #191
Let us know when the seeds germinate. That should be a really cool plant.
 
  • #192
:-))
Not so much w/ james since they aren't really invasive. I do dislike how many the otherOrchidioides put out since they invade the other pots pretty quickly. I try to keep similar plants away from each other but it's tough. Overall, it's just part of growing utrics. ??? Otoh, when I want more of the aerial roots for propagation (like with campby), there are none around. :censor:

Here's a pic of my 1st harvest of U. jamesoniana seed (u. james x U. asplundii) that I collected on the 4th. The seeds are sitting on a 1mm grid (actually a bit less than 1 mm) - very much like dust. :0o: Here's some infertile U. asplundii seed for comparison and some very different U. nephrophylla seed.
Ujamesxasplundiiseed070412.jpg


Potential good news on the U. james by alpina pollination attempt as both flowers quickly aborted their flowers after the cross. Now we get to wait & see what happens... Unlike with Sarrs or Neps, my attempts at crossing has shown these plants to be very idiosyncratic - many of the crosses fail & frequently at different points. Some ignore the pollen & pretend like it's not even there (ie: asplundii x alpina), some will produce seed that won't germinate (ie: asplundii (long lobe flower) x asplundii (short lobe flower)), some will self readily (ie: alpina (per buddy)), some will not self (ie: james (per buddy)), some will act like pollen was accepted & seeds are forming but have empty capsules (ie: alpina 'Pittier Moon' x asplundii iirc) and some will set seeds but much fewer than a normal pollination would produce (ie: nephro x nelumbifolia) & probably more permutations that my brain is not recalling - like the cross that produced U. 'Jitka' (quelchii x praetermissa) - produced viable seed & a healthy plant - but the plant is sterile (so far anyway).

asplundii x quelchii does not work either. for future reference.
 
  • #193
hmmm. maybe need to go look at chromosome counts? Wondering if some are naturally occurring tetraploids. So incompatible chromosome counts...

I might need to do the ship in the bottles for many of them because I see the are spreading rhizomes and invading neighbors......
 
  • #194
Hi to all!
I have some question - is it the leaf of humboldtii starts to develop?
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Thanks for all answers.
Sincerely,
Oleksii
 
  • #195
Certainly looks like it could be... the 'hook' at the top is characteristic... time will tell.
 
  • #196
A quick follow-up post on the U. nephrophylla x U. nelumbifolia hybrid. I kept three sg plants (& shared the few others with fellow Utric growers). One is in the basement doing very little while the other two are in my small office tank, both showing incredible hybrid vigor. One is sending up many new leaves while the other, next to it, has 1/3 fewer leaves but has recently decided to send up a flower stalk - something I hadn't even hoped for - for a another year or two...
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While the leaves are still like a U. reniformis, the flower stalk is a miniature U. nelumbifolia (& nothing at all like it's seed parent - U. nephrophylla). From all appearances, this cross should be a good robust plant that isn't very picky about conditions.

For comparison, here's a pic of the very leaf-iforous sister plant a month ago:
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  • #197
Oh wow Ron, your Utricularia just never cease to amaze me. U. nephrophylla x nelumbifolia looks so great, I can't wait to see that flower open. I love the more diminutive size of it (at least at the moment?). I imagine that's because of the nephrophylla parent?

Someday I could see myself parting with all Drosera and Nepenthes and just growing N. argentii and a bunch of Utricularia.
 
  • #198
most of my orchidoides are straggling along. praetermissa seems to be doing well for me though---working on a flowerstalk. and being the trollolololol that i am, i decided to photograph the plant at an angle where the flower stalk is not visible :awesome: really proud of this one. this was grown from just one tuber and a few leaves. my efforts with working with single tuber portions have been less than ideal.

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no fear though...it's not really anything to look at just yet.
 
  • #199
Nothing much to see here, just some bladders. Pretty sure its from U. reniformis.

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  • #200
The first flower from U. nephrophylla x U. nelumbifolia popped a few days ago but didn't open fully. Thankfully, the 2nd flower was not far behind & opened last night so this morning I snapped a few shots.

Quasi 3/4 view
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Front
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Side (closeup of the side-view - showing remnants of the colorful stripes on the spur from nelumbifolia dad)
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As I posted before, the 2 plants are both in small 2.5" pots. The flower stalk on this 1st plant is ~25" (63cm) long - really amazing! :0o: The 2nd plant is also now sending up a stalk. The vigor of these two are shocking.

On the 'more good news front' - based on my prior years success of having U. longifolia & U. praelonga flower on my east-facing windowsill, last fall, I took pieces of both medium forms of U. reniformis ("f. courte" & "small form") & planted them in 4.5" (11cm) pots and stuck them on the windowsill. Spring came & went & nothing resembling a stalk appeared. I figured I'd wait until next spring before considering the experiment a failure. In roughly mid-August (~2 weeks ago), I noticed a stalk coming up in the "f. courte" pot. On 082912, I noticed another tiny one just coming out of the media. So, soon, I'll hopefully have some more pics to share ... :boogie:
 
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