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    Utricularia from seed

    Greetings TF,
    I might as well ask. I am considering ordering in some utric and/or genlisea seeds from over the pond. I know that the chances of successful germination are fairly slim when ordered this way but am tempted to try. Specifically, if/when availible, I am considering:

    Genlisea:
    just about anything. I have yet to try my hand at growing a genlisea- last attempt at germinating seeds ended in soul crushing failure (even with GA3 treatment after several months)

    Utricularia:
    - Mostly from the section Orchidioides (Alpina, campbelliana, jamesoniana, quelchii). But I love utrics and likely would end up with other stuff in my basket.

    Last thoughts on this:
    - I will be placing an order anyway for some other species (Drosera, Roridula, etc...) so this would not be a going out of my way thing.
    - I am fully under the assumption that this is at best the purchase of a european lottery ticket (with some potential nice winnings) and at worst, a flat out donation to the EU.
    - I have a small lot of seeds permit
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    Background done. My question is- does anyone have any particular experiences trying to get these seeds to go? Any species you might recommend which would be "easier" or at least more likely to produce results given appropriate accomodations (So in other words- I am willing to work for it a little). Any other thoughts you could kindly share?

    I am kinda on the fence about it.... I really do know better...

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    On the Orchidioides:
    - I would be interested in hearing if anyone has ever received seeds that successfully germinated from a vendor in another country.
    - I have received seeds of U. campbelliana & U. unifolia - freshly harvested from the seedpod & mailed to me - 2-3 times (3 for campby & 2 for unifolia) and never had a seed germinate. Personally, I think your only hope is to get some directly from a 'just-harvested' seedpod & hope for reasonably fast mail delivery (best hope for campby is probably Tobias K as he'll work with you to insure freshly-harvested seed). Also - fair warning - U. campbelliana & U. jamesoniana have the smallest seeds I've ever seen.
    - the age of the seeds from various vendors is probably over a month (& possibly several years). Personally, I think you'd have more satisfaction taking the cash you plan to spend & flush it - as this way you get to watch it swirl a few times before it disappears.
    - you are likely to have better luck spending your money on live plants. With them, the vendors will typically stand behind the sale & replace plants that won't grow (obviously you won't get as many for the money but you'll have something green & growing). You could also try to work with existing USA growers as many of them would like to see the growing base of Orchidioides growers expand (see the Orchidioides thread....)
    - another alternative is to buy seeds from species that are meant to wait a while before germinating

    All imho, ymmv
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    Alright.... back to reality I guess (sheesh... can't a guy have 5 minutes to fantasize about an awesome impossible grow from seed?). I appreciate your input Ron- I think I'll save my money afterall (dang you reality... and your stupid.... laws of chemistry!!).
    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    On the Orchidioides:
    - I would be interested in hearing if anyone has ever received seeds that successfully germinated from a vendor in another country.
    - Yes good idea, lets rephrase my original question. Anyone? Only success for me so far has been U. longifolia seed from the ICPS seedbank. The rest have been duds.
    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    - the age of the seeds from various vendors is probably over a month (& possibly several years). Personally, I think you'd have more satisfaction taking the cash you plan to spend & flush it - as this way you get to watch it swirl a few times before it disappears.
    - One vendor I have been considering told me the age of the seeds was about 4-5 months (it is not clear to me if this is 4-5 months since harvest or 4-5 months since they received them). This brings up an interesting question; however, does anyone know why they lose viability so rapidly? I would assume it is related to the physical and chemical structure of the seed of course, but have the specifics been studied in depth? Perhaps we could gain some insight into possible ways to extend their "shelf life" a bit if such data exists.
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    You could also try to work with existing USA growers as many of them would like to see the growing base of Orchidioides growers expand (see the Orchidioides thread....)
    - Such opportunities are always real gems. When the time is right and such opportunities afford themselves, I will certainly welcome them
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    - another alternative is to buy seeds from species that are meant to wait a while before germinating
    - Hmmmm..... this one really caught my eye.... Do you (or anyone else) know if a list of such species exists? If not it seems like it would be a handy thing to have around. It might be kind of fun to put one together (at the very least- the conjectures).

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    Quote Originally Posted by utricularia View Post
    Greetings TF,
    I might as well ask. I am considering ordering in some utric and/or genlisea seeds from over the pond. I know that the chances of successful germination are fairly slim when ordered this way but am tempted to try. Specifically, if/when availible, I am considering:

    Genlisea:
    just about anything. I have yet to try my hand at growing a genlisea- last attempt at germinating seeds ended in soul crushing failure (even with GA3 treatment after several months)

    Utricularia:
    - Mostly from the section Orchidioides (Alpina, campbelliana, jamesoniana, quelchii). But I love utrics and likely would end up with other stuff in my basket.

    Last thoughts on this:
    - I will be placing an order anyway for some other species (Drosera, Roridula, etc...) so this would not be a going out of my way thing.
    - I am fully under the assumption that this is at best the purchase of a european lottery ticket (with some potential nice winnings) and at worst, a flat out donation to the EU.
    - I have a small lot of seeds permit
    ----------------------------------
    Background done. My question is- does anyone have any particular experiences trying to get these seeds to go? Any species you might recommend which would be "easier" or at least more likely to produce results given appropriate accomodations (So in other words- I am willing to work for it a little). Any other thoughts you could kindly share?

    I am kinda on the fence about it.... I really do know better...
    Hello

    I have some spare utric calycifida seeds if you want some. Pm me if you want this specie
    Maiden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maiden View Post
    Hello

    I have some spare utric calycifida seeds if you want some. Pm me if you want this specie
    You would be my friend for life

    Sending PM now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utricularia View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    You could also try to work with existing USA growers as many of them would like to see the growing base of Orchidioides growers expand
    Such opportunities are always real gems. When the time is right and such opportunities afford themselves, I will certainly welcome them
    Usually, the best thing to do is show an interest & participate in the forums. I've given away tons of plants & often never hear from the person again -- very, very frustrating when people don't share their experiences (positive or negative) nor any spare divisions. Show that you are not this type of individual & good things can happen....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    another alternative is to buy seeds from species that are meant to wait a while before germinating
    - Hmmmm..... this one really caught my eye.... Do you (or anyone else) know if a list of such species exists? If not it seems like it would be a handy thing to have around. It might be kind of fun to put one together (at the very least- the conjectures).
    Look for plants with a strong wet/dry season - like most of the tuberous species. U. menziesii is a real beauty (you can also cheat & get some tubers). Fair warning on these species - since the seeds are built to last for a while, it can be rough to get them to germinate - so some people use patience, some use chemicals, some scratch & some get lucky...
    All the best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    Usually, the best thing to do is show an interest & participate in the forums. I've given away tons of plants & often never hear from the person again -- very, very frustrating when people don't share their experiences (positive or negative) nor any spare divisions.
    I can respect that.
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    Look for plants with a strong wet/dry season - like most of the tuberous species.
    I just found an interesting source of world wide climate data. I have an evil idea...
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    U. menziesii is a real beauty (you can also cheat & get some tubers).
    Yeah, I got some last year- ended up losing them during dormancy. I hope to give them another shot- perhaps next season (Or maybe I can get around to throwing some money at Australia this summer).

    Oops, not this summer.... grrr... season reversal!

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    LOL i will ship your seed this week. From Montréal to Ca, maybe 6-7 days, not so bad!

    Edit: the germination rate is quite low... But not impossible. As you can see on my calycifida givaway thread, pokie22 and some others have some sprouts, but its kinda hard.

    Edit2: do you have some experience with this specie?

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