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    You buy the "red dragon" so you can have a red plant right or wrong? Right. So if you grow some seeds and they come out red who cares if you can be right when you call it a "red dragon"? If it's red then it's a "red dragon" to be. Unless it has the short piranha type teeth, then it's a "red piranha" to me. By the way, thanks again Philcula.

    Anyways, I sowed some seeds of a red dragon and the seedlings were red so it will be good for you too I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JMurphy97 @ June 13 2006,12:32)]So if you grow some seeds and they come out red who cares if you can be right when you call it a "red dragon".
    'Akai Ryu" is a registered cultivar. Do the plants match the cultivar description? If so no problem. If not then you'd be guilty of fraud if you gave or sold them as 'Red Dragon'.

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    Quote[/b] ]If it's red then it's a "red dragon" to be. Unless it has the short piranha type teeth, then it's a "red piranha" to me. By the way, thanks again Philcula.
    The purpose of registering a cultivar is to establish a standard against which other similar plants can be compared and reduce confusion as to what a given cultivar looks like. Ignoring the standard and naming a plant what you want just adds to the confusion and is irresponsible.

    Why is it so important to have a 'Red Dragon'? Why is it that we feel the need to "stretch the truth" and claim we have something we don't. This is a part of human nature that frustrates me and irratates the beejeezus out of me because it is so pointless.
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    What is the cultivar description of a red dragon? Red leaves and traps? No green? How can it not match then? I'm not really gonna get into it. My one plant outside is a "Red Piranha" and the other one is a "Red Dragon" or "Akai Ryu".

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    This is an excerpt of my post from yesterday. It has the desrcription and a link to the site were the description is at.

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    Quote[/b] (BigCarnivourKid @ June 12 2006,11:10)]I got the following from the ICPS Registered Cultivar Names:
    "Growth habit and flower morphology are typical for this species. The leaf petiole, blade and trap exhibit dark maroon to burgundy coloration. Any green coloration has only been noted around the center of the plant in mid-winter. The entire trap, interior and exterior, exhibits dark burgundy coloration throughout the year. Grown under laboratory conditions, where nutrient levels can be comparatively high, the plants still exhibit partial burgundy coloration in the traps and leaf blade."

    Standard: Carniv.Pl.Newslett.25:50 (1996)
    Propagation: vegetative reproduction (originally in vitro culture)
    Etymology: after red colouration of plants (Japanese: "Red Dragon")
    Guys if it was as easy as growing them from seed, then why would they have stated "vegetative reproduction (originally in vitro culture)". And, if the 'Akai Ryu' characteristics were carried through to the seeds 100% of the time, don't you think they would have used them instead for their in vitro propagation?
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    People have a need to feel special. Mislabelling plants is an easy way to satisfy this need. Giving their common plant a cultivar name will also make someone feel special.
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    my question came from this situation , I have to much seeds , so I'm thinking on give them to other people.
    They came from selfed akai ryu what should I call them ? dionaea typical seeds ?
    And when they grow red what explanation do I give to those people ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (cp_produtos @ June 14 2006,8:55)]my question came from this situation , I have to much seeds , so I'm thinking on give them to other people.
    They came from selfed akai ryu what should I call them ? dionaea typical seeds ?
    And when they grow red what explanation do I give to those people ?
    Be honest and tell them exactly what they are:
    'Red Dragon' x 'Red Dragon' or 'Red Dragon' selfed.

    The description of 'Red Dragon' was published in the June 1996 issue of CPN, which can be found here:
    http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn.../v25n2p50.html

    Note that the description states:
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Twenty (20) viable seeds were collected and of these, seven clones were established in issue culture. Of the seven clones grown in vitro, one showed enhanced red coloration and vigor and upon subsequent planting out into soil, immediately developed an astonishing deep burgundy coloration in the leaf blade and trap. This clone was also far superior to any of the parents in terms of growth rate and vigor.
    So, an important characteristic of the true 'Red Dragon' clone is:
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]This clone was also far superior to any of the parents in terms of growth rate and vigor.
    All of the selfed seedlings may be all red, but they may not retain the size and vigor of the original parent.

    Many of the plants being circulated as 'Red Dragon' are perhaps red seedlings of various selfings or other breedings. That is why there are numerous complaints that "my 'Red Dragon' is nothing special". This is likely to be correct, because those plants are not the true 'Red Dragon' clone.

    I have a very small all red plant that I received in 1999 as a 'Red Dragon' for which I have applied for the cultivar 'Petite Dragon'.
    http://www.humboldt.edu/~rrz7001/zph...iteDragon.html

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    many times i visited the ICPS site , but today I saw this :



    with this text:

    "Dionaea muscipula all red seedling. This 4 month old plant is 7 mm across. If all goes well, in 4 years it will be 7 cm across."

    this text is in the germination guide , any comments...

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