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    Bugweed also lives in California..
    San Francisco.
    where winter temps arent as low as they are for the native VFT range.
    SanFran temps dont get low enough to trigger the "low temps but high light" theory we are discussing.
    thus, irrelevant to this discussion, and proves nothing.

    but nice try.

    ok, im done, this grows tiresome.

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    Bugweed lives in Martinez Ca.

    His temperature averages are within about 5* of mine. Check Weather.com for his averages. I am tired of typing all those numbers out.
    There are only 2 infinite things... the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not too sure about the universe.

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    I already looked it up before I posted.
    thats how I could say his temps are irrelevant to the discussion..

    Scot

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (joossa @ Sep. 17 2006,9:11)]These are the mean temps. for each month in my city...

    Mean Monthly Temperatures (in F) J34 F37 M40 A75 M83 J92 J98 A97 S91 O80 N67 D33

    * Annual Average High Temperatures: 98F (summer) 59F (winter)
    * Annual Average Low Temperatures 65F (summer) 33F (winter)
    * Highest Recorded Temperature: 113F (1972)
    * Lowest Recorded Temperature: 6F (1963)
    * Warmest Month: July
    * Coolest Month: December
    * Highest Precipitation: February
    * Annual Precipitation: 7.36 inches


    The letter before the number is the first letter of the month (I'm sure u figured it out).

    So r they ok for winter dormancy?
    Joossa,
    your plants should be fine.
    Sturgeon's Law:
    "Nothing is always absolutely so".

    http://terraforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102021

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    Ahh I get it.. they dont back up your theory.. they must be irrelevant.

    As you wish.
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    heh..you crack me up steve!

    I only hope you arent serious..because then it wouldnt be funny.

    Scot

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (scottychaos @ Sep. 19 2006,11:17)]Bugweed also lives in California..
    San Francisco.
    where winter temps arent as low as they are for the native VFT range.
    SanFran temps dont get low enough to trigger the "low temps but high light" theory we are discussing.
    thus, irrelevant to this discussion, and proves nothing.

    but nice try.
    First, Martinez and San Francisco have very different temperature ranges despite being only 35 miles apart. San Francisco sits right on the edge of the Pacific Ocean and gets a natural cooling effect from the Ocean breeze and fog. Martinez sits about 28 miles inland on the edge of the northern tip of the San Francisco bay. It does recieve some of the fog, but not the cooler temperatures that San Francisco does.

    As for Martinez temperatures being "irrelevant to the discussion" I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. When compared to the temps in the VFTs natural range, the numbers are all pretty close, with Martinez winters being slightly cooler, and Wilmington summers being slightly warmer.

    Wilmington, NC Martinez, Ca.
    Jan. 56/36 Jan. 54/39
    Feb. 60/38 Feb. 60/42
    Mar. 66/44 Mar. 64/44
    Apr. 74/51 Apr. 71/46
    May 81/60 May 78/50
    Jun. 86/68 Jun. 84/54
    Jul. 90/72 Jul. 87/55
    Aug. 88/71 Aug. 87/55
    Sep. 84/66 Sep. 83/54
    Oct. 76/54 Oct. 75/49
    Nov. 68/45 Nov. 63/43
    Dec. 60/38 Dec. 55/39



    You seem to be under the impression that the MAX temp cant be any higher than 40* or so to achieve proper dormancy. If this is the case how do you explain that in their natural habitat the average winter daytime temps are mid 50's and 60's? Also how do you explain that in October (when the plants begin to go dormant, and by your theory would require much colder temps) the daytime temperature averages in their native habitat are in the mid 70's? How about November when the average daytime high is almost 70? By your theory, that should prevent dormancy right?
    There are only 2 infinite things... the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not too sure about the universe.

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    Ok then. From your answers I can see that my typical VFT's will do okay outdoors during the winter.

    Thank you!
    -Joel from Southern California


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