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    Ive got 3 spp. of trich if you need a little sample to play with

    here ya go, ive read this from more then one source, but dont know how accurate the story is or if it is in fact true:

    Dr. Rothschild backed up his point by telling us the story of the discovery of the Bacillus subtilis, a bacterial microorganism that is commonly found in the environment rather than in humans, yet is well known by modern science to be very friendly to the human system. It can promote dramatic healing benefits in humans, even though it isn't one of the native microbes that normally inhabit the human body. According to Dr. Rothschild, the story of Bacillus subtilis goes like this:

    The bacillus subtilis was discovered by the Nazi German medical corps in 1941, toward the end of their African campaign. At the time, the German military victory was at its height. But the German high command became genuinely alarmed when hundreds upon hundreds of soldiers in North Africa suddenly began dying every week. Oddly, the Nazi soldiers weren't dying because of British General Montgomery's retaliatory bombs and shrapnel, but instead, they were dying of uncontrollable dysentery.

    Of course, the Germans were aware that dysentery was caused by pathogenic (i.e. disease-causing) bacteria from local food and water sources. But in those days, there were no antibiotics. Sulfur was already on the market, but only in a topical non-ingestible form. So with no medication available with which to stop the plague of dysentery, the Nazis quickly began looking for other means to help their dying soldiers.

    The German high command immediately sent out a contingent of scientists, physicians, chemists, biochemists, bacteriologists and other experts to help solve the problem. With typical German circumspection, these top experts reasoned that there must be a natural way to counteract the deadly bacteria causing the dysentery because, if there wasn't, the millions of Arabs living in the region would have been dead long ago.

    Therefore, the Germans' first step was to closely scrutinize the native Arabs, and see whether or not they were affected by dysentery. What they discovered was that the Arabs also caught dysentery, but at the first sign of diarrhea [the #1 symptom of dysentery --- Ed.] the Arabs would do something quite incredible: They would immediately begin following around a horse or camel until it would drop its dung. Then, the affected Arab would pick up the warm dung droppings, and quickly gulp them down! This strange procedure effectively eliminated the dysentery almost overnight.

    Once the good hygienic Germans finally recovered from the shock of seeing the Arab natives gulping down warm camel dung, they quickly realized that there must be something in the dung that somehow counteracted the harmful bacteria that caused the dysentery. They questioned the Arabs, who told them that they had no idea why it worked, but that their fathers had always done so, as had their forefathers, and it had always worked. The only caveat was that the camel or horse dung had to be ingested while still warm and fresh, because it had no effect on the dysentery if ingested cold.

    So the Nazis began carefully examining fresh camel and horse dung. What they discovered was that it was teeming with a powerful bacterial microorganism which later came to be called Bacillus subtilis. This bacteria, it turned out, is so strong that it practically cannibalizes all harmful microorganisms in the human body --- particularly pathogenic bacteria like the virulent strain which was causing dysentery in the German troops.

    Within a very short time, the Nazis began producing hundreds and thousands of gallons of active Bacillus subtilis cultures for their troops to ingest. And bingo, no more dysentery! Soon afterwards, the Germans even discovered the process by which the Bacillus subtilis cultures could be dried and placed into easily ingestible capsules. From that time forward, the resourceful Germans had no more problems with losing troops from dysentery.




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    Very interesting story. Not sure of the validity though, I'll run it past my boss and see if he has heard it and what he has to say.

    The activity described sounds a lot more like phage, which are virus specific to bacteria. The phage would infect and, in the process of replicating, destroy the pathogenic bacterial.

    Of course I could be wrong anf this could be accurate. I do know that B. subtilis has a whole catalouge of anti-microbials so I would not be terribly suprised if this was the case.

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    well I always thought it sounded like the lead-in to an infomercial but I dunno, my field is electro-mechanical but I like to read. Early on I had a real hard time getting anything close to consistant results with my cephs, so I started researching what I could about soil borne fungi, beneficial organisms etc. Common sense told me I was missing a part of the puzzle... since then I have used a Bacillius and Trichoderma drench monthy and have become a believer in them.

    Please add to this post as you find out anything, I'm eager to learn

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    Seems odd since Rommel, the commander of the Afrika Korps was on medical leave because of dysentery at several crucial moments during the African campaign. You'd think the most famous German figure in the whole war in North Africa would be given this miracle cure.
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    Oh my at one time I knew all those specifics but not anymore... I do remember he was away there at the last, but I was thinking it was because of a family crisis or taking a holiday

    LOL, great point "Not"... that will bug me till I can look it up when I get home tonight

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    edit: On 9 March 1943 he handed over command of Armeegruppe Afrika to General Hans-Jürgen von Arnim and left Africa, because of health reasons, never to return.

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    Okay, I ran the story past my boss who has been in the B. subtilis field since forever. He had never heard this story. He does not totally discount it but like me feels that it sounds more like phage activity. His opinion is that it sounds like a devious trick used by the Arabs to get the Germans to eat sh%*.

    That said, there are a number of labs in Europe that study the probiotic nature of subtilis and subtilis is one of the components of a cocktail that is used in Viet Nam to treat dysentary. So whether the story itself is accurate the "moral", as it were, is true (or at least accepted.) I still don;t know that I would go licking any of my plates whenever I get sick though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro View Post
    Okay, I ran the story past my boss who has been in the B. subtilis field since forever. He had never heard this story. He does not totally discount it but like me feels that it sounds more like phage activity. His opinion is that it sounds like a devious trick used by the Arabs to get the Germans to eat sh%*.
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    ok ok ok, who is our resident elderly and native tribal north African

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    man has this thread ever gone on a tangent LOL, me sowwy... put it on your plants but just dont eat it without consulting a tribal elder first

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