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Identification on an unknown strain of VFT.

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Jake Hoshgothen

Hey guys. I recently picked up my latest 7 venus flytraps from Safeway, and one of them looks different from the other six. Kind of hard to explain, but I've looked at referance photos of registered cultivars, and the closest match seems to be from Big Mouth, due to the thick base and few cilla. I'll post a few pics to clarify my point.
First set is one of the typical ones I picked up, and the other set is of the unidentified curiosity.

First set:

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And the second set...
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As a side note, does anyone think that they can tell me what the reason for the bundling growth is on the abnormal plant? See the pic below to clarify.
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Thanks for any and all help you guys can provide in advance!
 
Hmm, looks to be a big-mouth to me - my bigmouth does that same thing with its sealed up traps (the cilia look like they are bending backwards on closed traps).
As for the growth... that's... pretty crazy. I'v never seen a grouping of small traps like that in such a small area - very captivating, you lucky dog.
 
odds are its not 'Big Mouth'.

Ridetsu: my typical VFTs did that also... dosent set it apart really...
Alex
 
yeah, i figured they all kinda did that - but its got that red inside with a green outside, with long cilia, and seemingly large traps (although without a reference quarter, its hard to tell)
 
hmm...idk...they certainly look very healthy though...definatley good coloration.
 
^ I have to agree, nice specimen. That little clump reminds me of a school of baby piranha!
 
The bundeling could be coming from more than 1 bulb. Thats what happened to me when I got my first fly trap.
 
  • #10
Gah. Yes, I realize now what I forgot to include. That quarter. However, I can tell you that the pot is a 3 inch standard. I don't know if you can acurately judge the size of the traps from that tidbit. Also, seeing how the plant seems to be fairly mature, I don't think the tissue culture explination is valid. there is quite a size difference from mature to sprouts. I thought originally that the rhizome was splitting, but VFT's tend to shoot out much larger traps than the cluster seen when this occurs.
Another possibility that I have considered is a possible double plant, and also, the fact that a seed COULD have dropped into the pot by accident just before shipping out to Safeway.

Another thing: I didn't post a comparison photo for the BM plant. I have one of those posted below now. Note the thick base of the cilla, and the relatively few number of them.
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  • #11
Ah, not to double post or anything of the sort, but I havn't had my question answered yet really. Has anyone looked at the new comparison picture I posted? I really would like to identify this thing.
 
  • #12
Resources:

http://www.freewebs.com/vftshop/vftgallery.htm
http://www.humboldt.edu/~rrz7001/Dionaea.html

Typicals show a wide range of characteristics most of which show up one way or another in so-called cultivars.

If anything other than a typical most likely you have a 'Dente/Dentate' which you can find easily at Lowes, Wal-Mart etc.

Just remember any VFT even clones of the same plant will look different depending on how they are grown and when you look at it. You can even have clones of the same plant growing in the same pot that will look markedly different from each other.

Having several VFT of various sizes in a freshly bought TC is no big deal. It's an artifact of the TC process. When a TC batch is deflasked many of the plantlets are "joined at the hip" and often it is not practical to separate them so they just get potted up like that.

These are all TC plants - all the plantlets are connected to the main rhizome - I potted or repotted them all myself and I inspected the rhizomes at that time:

'B52' - there are at least two other smaller plants - 3-5 growing points in this pot
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'Sawtooth' - one plantlet
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Typical (a) - at least two small plants along with the main plant
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Typical (b) - again at least two other small plants
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'Justina Davis' - (sunburned) 3-4 smaller plants
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Here's an example of a TC "clump":
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  • #13
Not a Number is right. Many venus flytraps look like eachother and may even resemble cultivars too. One way to narrow down the guessing is to find out which nursery supplies Safeway with its VFT's. Did the plant come with a label or advertisement? I know Booman Floral doesn't supply "Big Mouth" since all their plants are tissue cultured seeds.
 
  • #14
When it really comes down to it you've got an unknown vft from a big box store. Nothing wrong with that ! It looks cool, does what you want and doesn't talk back. The only real way of knowing you have a "named" or otherway identified cultivar is to buy from a reputable dealer, or decent folks here or the owner/breeder of the cultivar. Otherwise with vft's especially your not gonna know for sure. Like I said though be happy that it's so cool and maybe find another cool one breed them and make your own super vft cultivar !
 
  • #15
uglypho said:
Not a Number is right. Many venus flytraps look like eachother and may even resemble cultivars too. One way to narrow down the guessing is to find out which nursery supplies Safeway with its VFT's. Did the plant come with a label or advertisement? I know Booman Floral doesn't supply "Big Mouth" since all their plants are tissue cultured seeds.
Click to expand...

Well, I did save a tag. It specifies that it came from a nursury in California. I've tried to google the nursury's that have operations based in California to no success. However, I know that it didn't come from Booman. I would have remembered that name!

That many type may look like eachother is something that I hadn't considered prior. Still, those teeth look very curious. Upon closer inspection, they actually split partially into two near the end, giving them a slightly ragged appearance. I havn't found any cultivars that this characteristic presents itself in, so this raises the question of whether this is somehting else entirely, or if it is just the result of the quality of care that the plant recieved before I got it.
Thanks for your continued help guys. It looks like this thing is coming together for me.
 
  • #16
Multdent
http://xs46.xs.to/pics/05370/multidentsm.JPG

'Louchapates' (Dionaea 'Noodle Ladle')
http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/Species/v33n4p100_101.html#ladle

Split-ends occurs in any VFT from time to time, more likely on 'Dentate'. Also related to 'Fused Tooth' just not as extreme.

http://xs46.xs.to/pics/05376/fusedteethsm.JPG

'Louchapates' is a varient of 'Fused Tooth' with split-ends. Yours is not showing fused teeth but the fusing doesn't always come out. Time will tell but don't hold your breath.
http://carnibase.com/dossiers/images/dm-perimacrodentata.jpg
http://chloroplastik.free.fr/images/dionaea/louchapates/duthion-louchapates-3.07-06.jpg

There are at least three nurseries in California selling VFTs. Booman Florals is the only one confirmed that propagates their own. The other may be reselling from another TC source. Gubler Orchids is known to sell 'Dentate'/'Dente'

http://www.terraforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=827816#post827816

The cultivars in wide distribution are 'Akai Ryu' (aka "Red Dragon") and 'Dente/Dentate'. Chances are you have a 'Dente' or a typical that's just showing off.
 
  • #17
Having looked at your last link, I did come across the name. Bloomrite is indeed the supplier. I also looked at your pictures posed in the other links, but none of them have the type of split I am encountering. It's a lot less noticeable than those you posted. It's almost like a split halfway up. You know what, I think this calls for more pictures. Hold on, I'll post some more with more tooth detail. Stay Tuned!
 
  • #18
Dude, go through the 'Detante' photos on BobZ photo finder. You'll see how much they vary. It differs from plant to plant depending on the time of the year and how they are grown.

http://www.humboldt.edu/~rrz7001/Dionaea.html

"'Dentate Traps' (B.Meyers-Rice) Registered 30. 3. 2000 (JS) official registered cultivar name for VFTs with dentate traps. (A wild collected plant was selected because its marginal spines were noticeably mutated. Instead of being long and filiform (as is usual), the spines of 'Dentate Traps' are short and triangular. This feature is not always apparent on small traps, or those produced early in the season, but the traps on mature plants in full growth are unmistakably dentate.) described at http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cultivars/cpncultivars/v29.html" - emphasis mine
 
  • #19
I know that Nurserymen's exchange had some giants avaiable earlier this year but that is all I know about them. they are indeed much larger and darker traps than the regular VFTs they had available.
Lois
 
  • #20
If your plant fits the registered description for 'Big Mouth', then its a Big Mouth. Although we typically think a named cultivar MUST be a cloned plant, that is not necessarily the case. A plant that fully matched the described features of a cultivar, is that cultivar. However it must fit the descrip at all times, not just at one period during its growth.
 
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