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Bangkok Plant Market

So as you know and for those of you that don't, I'm in Bangkok, Thailand. I visited the Jatujak market, and look what I got for approximately $25...

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Venus flytraps, my favorite carnivorous plants. I believe this is a very crowded bunch of typicals. Anyone know whats growing in there in the top right corner besides moss?
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Anyone think they can ID this? They are a bit more dark maroon colored than can be seen in this picture. Theres a plant shooting up in the left, anyone know what that is, and if its harmful?
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Six Nepenthes. I know there are two different kinds, not sure about the specific names, ID please? I'm not experienced with these plants, so any basic tips would be much appreciated. Also, what's growing in the soil?
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I've seen Drosera before, and decided to buy it. I noticed that there is a flower stalk as you can see. Should I cut them off or leave them? I'm not too experienced with Drosera either, so I would appreciate basic tips about care. ID?
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Definitely not sure what this is, but it's so awesome! I bought it as a gift for my girlfriends mother since I'm staying at their place. The intertwined section is actually the woody stem of the plant. Just thought I'd share.
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I was wondering if anyone knew how I could bring these back to the states. My girlfriend warned me that they might not pass through customs, and I should just put them in a box and send it home at the post office. Anyone with knowledge or experience in this field?

Also does anyone know any place other places in Bangkok where I can find CPs?
 
Drosera looks like D. spatulata.

The VFTs unless labeled as a specific cultivar should be considered typicals. Color and growth patterns vary enormously.

As for getting them through customs, I have no idea, depends on the species of Nepenthes some are restricted. Agriculture will probably be a bigger concern than customs. Mailing them is not likely to work as you need a customs declaration form on the package. If you declare live plants then you'll probably need some sort of phytosanitary declaration.
 
If I were you, I wouldn't declare them, just hide them well in your suitcase and hope they survive the trip
 
If I were you, I wouldn't declare them, just hide them well in your suitcase and hope they survive the trip

Fine advice to give since many Nepenthes species are covered by CITES Appendix II with N. khasiana, N. rajah as Appedix I and the penalties are rather stiff if caught.
 
I thought ALL of them were appendix II except for those in appendix I? Nepenthes rafflesiana isn't worth the trouble you could get into :)
 
Those trees, or plants, are awesomes
 
put it in a plastic bag and swallow it, when you get back, get it out and there ya go.
jk... dont do that... please...
but cant you just say its a plant i got from the market, and put it in a box or something?
 
Thanks for the ID Not a Number. As for shipping, it has gone beyond my knowledge of the law. I can't find anything on the internet either. I thought about putting it in my suitcase as an option, but then I would risk certain penalties. I guess my best bet would be to go to a Thai post office and get info. If anyone else could help, that would be great.
 
put it in a plastic bag and swallow it, when you get back, get it out and there ya go.
jk... dont do that... please...
but cant you just say its a plant i got from the market, and put it in a box or something?

No. People "releasing" specimens is how you get invasive species.
 
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http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/clearing/agri_prod_inus.xml

All travelers entering the United States are required to DECLARE any meats, fruits, vegetables, plants, seeds, animals, and plant and animal products (including soup or soup products) they may be carrying. The declaration must cover all items carried in checked baggage, carry-on luggage, or in a vehicle.

Upon examination of plants, animal products, and associated items, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agriculture specialists at the ports of entry will determine if these items meet the entry requirements of the United States.


Even though an item may be listed as “permitted” from a particular country, it is always best to DECLARE the item by checking “Yes” on Question 11 of the CBP Declaration Form 6059B. Also declare if you have been on a farm or in close proximity of livestock, as an agriculture specialist may need to check your shoes or luggage for traces of soil that could harbor foreign animal diseases such as foot-and-mouth.

Avoid Fines and Delays
Prohibited items that are not declared by passengers are confiscated and disposed of by CBP agriculture specialists. But that’s not all. Civil penalties may be assessed for violations and may range up to $1,000 for a first-time offense. Depending on whether the confiscated, undeclared items are intentionally concealed, or determined to be for commercial use, civil penalties may be assessed as high as $50,000 for individuals. The same fines apply to prohibited agricultural products sent through the international mail.

Just declare them and let the Agriculture people inspect them. If any are CITES species and you don't have paper work to show they were grown from Tissue Culture or otherwise legally propagated they'll probably be confiscated. There should be no fine since you declared them and allowed inspection. Otherwise see the last paragraph quoted above.
 
  • #11
Those look like N. Globosa to me! They are much more valuable than Raffs.

Maybe they're even seed grown!
 
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If you want to import them potted complete PPQ Form 525, without or without soil please complete PPQ Form 621 and PPQ Form 587. Permits cost 70$.
 
  • #13
If the leaves are serrated, then they are N. mirabilis. From what I can make out from the pic below, the middle two could be otherwise.

But bear in mind that in Thailand, any Nep seedling could be a N. globusa hybrid.

 
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Those look like N. Globosa to me! They are much more valuable than Raffs.

Maybe they're even seed grown!

Yup, the humble vendor told us that he cultivated and grew these from seeds.

If you want to import them potted complete PPQ Form 525, without or without soil please complete PPQ Form 621 and PPQ Form 587. Permits cost 70$.
Well, I'm not familiar with these forms and the process. Is the permit for the bunch of plants I'm planning to bring back, or per plant? Could you somehow lead me into the right direction D_Muscipula? I was also just wondering, I really can't just put them in a box, stamp my address and send it to the states?

If the leaves are serrated, then they are N. mirabilis. From what I can make out from the pic below, the middle two could be otherwise.

But bear in mind that in Thailand, any Nep seedling could be a N. globusa hybrid.

Ok, so the green ones are either N. mirabilis or N. Globosa, and the ones in the middle are unknown? Cool.

Since I can't read Thai, I can't really find mineral free, RO/distilled water so I purchased water for cars. My girlfriend asked the employee, and they said its mineral free and its used for cars. I was wondering if it is safe to use this water on CP's?
Thanks guys, I really appreciate your time and help!
 
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That water should be ok, if it is really the water they use for cars

And by the way, those plants look very wel!
 
  • #16
That water should be ok, if it is really the water they use for cars

And by the way, those plants look very wel!

Thanks Celox! I just watered my neps and filled the pitchers a little bit. I hope the condition of these plants continue to grow and stay healthy. I worry because am not very experienced with Nepenthes and Drosera. I'm trying my best to understand the basics. ^^
 
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