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    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Why do you not leave all your plants in the shed as it's mention light is not required?

    Many thanks Wayne
    Thats probably not a good idea for England..
    all you need to do (In England) is leave the plants outside all winter!
    no shed, no greenhouse, no basement, no garage, no fridge required..
    you are REALLY warm, zone 8, compared to those of us who have to do "the fridge method"..

    In that case, putting the plants in the shed would probably be a bad idea because they might get too warm in the winter..for a Zone 8 dormancy the plants should still get sunlight over the winter, because it wont be cold enough to stop all growth, all winter..
    and being out in the sunlight, you wont have to guess when they should come out for the spring..they will just naturally come out of dormancy by themselves, when the time is right..

    seriously..those of you in the UK..dont mess with sheds or garages or greenhouses!!
    you dont NEED to!
    just leave them outside 24/7/365..
    yes, if you are going to get an unusual cold-snap..perhaps in the 20's F (negative 4 C) for a few days in a row, then sure, its good to move them somewhere for a few days, to protect them from extreme cold, but otherwise, just leave them outside..

    the "no light required in the winter" theory is really only for those of us who are in Zone 6 or colder..those of us who use "the fridge method" and other ideas to keep our plants "warmer than outside"..where the plants spend ALL winter at 35 degrees F (+1C)..
    in those temps, yes, you dont need light because it is SO cold that the plants arent growing..
    but for zone 8, just ignore that completely..it doesnt apply to you..


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    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post

    In that case, putting the plants in the shed would probably be a bad idea because they might get too warm in the winter..

    Scot
    Plus a very good likelihood of a lack of air circulation. Scot couldnt have laid it out better, you guys have it good in your Zone 8

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    the only plants i lost last year here in Zone 8 was a leuco and a B52 if i remember correctly, oddly both that were left outside longer than the other plants who were placed in my uninsulated shed on the days where it got below 25F even for a few hours or so...i didnt have a single problem, this year ill probably put them in the greenhouse which also isnt insulated very well, so they will atleast be protected from the freezing rain/hail/snow storms

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    Quote Originally Posted by blokeman View Post
    I 'fridge method' all of my temperate cp's... I'd chop off everything above ground level, place in a plastic sandwich bag, and put them all in a white plastic shopping bag, throw them in the back of the fridge, and that's it, just wait it out for 3-4 months (here at least; mid november to feb-march). So long as your milk doesn't freeze, your plants won't either

    Plants that made it without a hitch last dormancy:
    S. purpurea ssp purpurea
    S. Dana's delight
    D. californica
    VFT dente, typical and akai ryu

    this year, that list grew 6-fold... not worried in the least, i'm gonna try pot-n-all this year with some of them..
    That's exactly how I do it; all mine survived and are thriving too.

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    Hi all ... Interesting debate...

    Are there some that will take more colder winters than other's... ?
    Whats the coldest some has had one down to and survived... reason I ask this is because I have seen VFT with frost on them and yet there' alive...

    As per the info that bog gardens live better... How about putting all the pots in a tray and just back fill with peat, as if they was in there help keep them warm? is that a wise move.

    I do worry through loosing the exotic ones that's all... I'll ask uncle as he has bonsi in the garden also, I am sure he knows the temp's per year ...

    Cheers All Noddy

    ---------- Post added at 06:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:55 PM ----------

    I asked, it's been as low as -10c in the green house!

    Pause for thought

    Noddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivoure12 View Post
    Fridge methodm is the safest and most garanteed way in my opinion, ...
    When I first started keeping VFTs, this is what I heard from 'everyone'. Tried it for a few years & lost every VFT that I kept in the frig. Tried keeping them in the unheated garage with the Sarrs (usually freeze solid for a month or so) and lost most of them again. For over 10 years now I've kept my VFTs (& 'outside' Cephs) in a back basement room under lights all winter. It gets down to ~40*F in there. Haven't lost one since I started this {as he knocks on wood}.
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    Hi you talking -40F or 40F

    Also why use lights when every says there not needed

    Noddy

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    He means +40F..
    no basement is ever going to reach -40F!
    the squiggly line symbol ~ as in: ~40F means "around 40F"

    and people keep misunderstanding the "no light needed" thing..
    light is not needed ONLY if your plants are REALLY cold all winter..
    like 35F all winter..like the fridge or other cold place..
    if your winter dormancy is in the 40's or 50's (or outside) then some light is good..

    Ron,
    if you always lost plants in the fridge, they perhaps they were not dormant when they went into the fridge..
    where were you growing them? indoors or outdoors?

    many people do the "fridge method" incorrectly..there is only one correct way to do it..

    Scot

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