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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post
    Read the comments on the second link
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post
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    Hopefully, this will also set a good deterrent example, and make other potential poachers thinks twice about it!
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    ""Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a terrible master." G. Washington"


    You know, I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm at first, but then I saw your signature. So, I should hold my tongue, yet read that every time you make a post? I don't believe I revealed much about my political views with my comment, but the "quote" in your signature does reveal yours. Had I left "Tea Party" out of the comment, the implication would have been the same.

    But now I can't help but ask, do you agree with those commenters who think there shouldn't be tough laws in place to protect these plants, as those laws are just another example of more government control over our lives? Because I can tell you right now, the reason so many of our native bogs have been destroyed is because of a lack of government oversight, allowing private entities to "develop" whatever land they feel like, or can purchase, and allowing people to destroy anything that isn't designated as being protected. And seeing as the punishment of these perpetrators is unprecedented, it reveals just how meaningless those protection statuses have been in the past.

    Like everyone else commenting on this thread, I say "good job" to the authorities who enforced this law. It's the right precedent, and one that should deter it from occurring in the future. Likewise, I agree with the frustrations of those who pointed to the comments in the article, but I guess a would have sufficed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theplantman View Post
    However, if the state wants to value them at more than 50 cents apiece, I'm down with that.
    I understand the need by authorities to pump up the price (the larger the $$$, the more serious the offense, the more publicity, the more justification, etc, etc). However, on the flip side, doesn't placing a higher value on them draw more low-lifes into poaching?

    (Thoughts passing through a low-life's brain after reading article - Hmmm, I saw a bunch of those weird plants down the road in that open field - at 20 bucks a pop, I could get an easy $200 for 5 min work -- & nobody's gonna catch me ...)
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    Well Mato would you like a list of species made endangered and extinct specifically because of government intervention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mato View Post
    the reason so many of our native bogs have been destroyed is because of a lack of government oversight, allowing private entities to "develop" whatever land they feel like, or can purchase, and allowing people to destroy anything that isn't designated as being protected. And seeing as the punishment of these perpetrators is unprecedented, it reveals just how meaningless those protection statuses have been in the past.

    Like everyone else commenting on this thread, I say "good job" to the authorities who enforced this law. It's the right precedent, and one that should deter it from occurring in the future.
    I'm in a state where this is actively occurring, and I know folks who are out there making a good effort to stop it. Sadly, it's not too far from the truth. The part of the government that cares about conservation is greatly overpowered by the part that could care less. Same for the public, at least where I am.

    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    I understand the need by authorities to pump up the price (the larger the $$$, the more serious the offense, the more publicity, the more justification, etc, etc). However, on the flip side, doesn't placing a higher value on them draw more low-lifes into poaching?

    (Thoughts passing through a low-life's brain after reading article - Hmmm, I saw a bunch of those weird plants down the road in that open field - at 20 bucks a pop, I could get an easy $200 for 5 min work -- & nobody's gonna catch me ...)
    That does make perfect sense. The cost could very well raise the stakes. It's at least a risk I feel needs to be taken, because the poaching pressure prior to the law was extreme.

    The effectiveness of the law will depend greatly upon the ability of the state to enforce it. And if assaults on the VFT increase, I would *hope* that there would be a response with greater budgets for increased monitoring, rewards for poaching reports, private citizen involvement, and ultimately better enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplantman View Post
    I'm in a state where this is actively occurring, and I know folks who are out there making a good effort to stop it. Sadly, it's not too far from the truth. The part of the government that cares about conservation is greatly overpowered by the part that could care less. Same for the public, at least where I am.


    That does make perfect sense. The cost could very well raise the stakes. It's at least a risk I feel needs to be taken, because the poaching pressure prior to the law was extreme.

    The effectiveness of the law will depend greatly upon the ability of the state to enforce it. And if assaults on the VFT increase, I would *hope* that there would be a response with greater budgets for increased monitoring, rewards for poaching reports, private citizen involvement, and ultimately better enforcement.
    I'm sorry but I fail to see how placing a dollar value on the plants makes any positive difference. It definitely will give people ideas about easy money, but as far as deterrence? The punishment itself, be it fines, incarceration, etc is the deterrent. The placing of a high dollar amount does nothing else except perhaps stir up emotions in some people, and emotions are a truly poor basis for laws and punishment. This is because the emotional reaction of people to a given stimulus varies greatly. I can guarantee that a vast majority of people would not wish to live under laws based upon my emotions, and DEFINITELY not want to be punished based upon them, anymore than I would wish to live under laws based upon theirs. The only rational basis for laws is the violation of rights, and the only rational basis for punishment is the relative severity of the violation.
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