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Thread: The Horror...The Horror (of Mutant Flytraps)

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    I'm curious do you guys feel the same way about chihuahuas? They can no longer hunt deer and elk in packs... it kind of seems like the same exact issue to me.
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    Dexenthes it's completely different. In the case of the Chihuahua you are starting with an omnivorous species and not an obligate carnivore. Breeding for appearance and/or behavior doesn't alter the fundamental metabolic processes of the animal, it simply produces an animal far less suited to meeting its own needs. Choosing a consistent vegan lifestyle which truly respects all animalis a choice that should preclude the ownership of creatures metabolically unsuited to it. But the desire to have one's cake and eat it to is a trait not restricted to any one group.
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    lol... umm

    I'm not sure what point you have in there - the only difference is that one is a plant and one is an animal. I wasn't aware that Dionaea cultivars had their metabolic processes altered during the selective breeding process, any more so than a dog would. Wolves are barely omnivorous, I might add. Also all carnivorous plants are not "obligate carnivores", seeing as they still all have roots that engage in nutrient uptake as well as leaves that engage in photosynthesis. Both the roots and the leaves do more for the plant than the traps because as we all know, very few carnivorous plants actually needs to feed to survive, it just helps them thrive. Furthermore from an ethical standpoint some dog breeds seem to be much more of abominations in a literal sense than these plants are, in my eyes. Take German Shepherds, for instance, they almost always suffer from hip disease and have shorter lives riddled with pain in their latter years and they are often put down. Mean while the freak Dionaea could just keep growing . . .
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    Oh jeebus......... please see post #22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes View Post
    lol... umm

    I'm not sure what point you have in there - the only difference is that one is a plant and one is an animal. I wasn't aware that Dionaea cultivars had their metabolic processes altered during the selective breeding process, any more so than a dog would. Wolves are barely omnivorous, I might add. Also all carnivorous plants are not "obligate carnivores", seeing as they still all have roots that engage in nutrient uptake as well as leaves that engage in photosynthesis. Both the roots and the leaves do more for the plant than the traps because as we all know, very few carnivorous plants actually needs to feed to survive, it just helps them thrive. Furthermore from an ethical standpoint some dog breeds seem to be much more of abominations in a literal sense than these plants are, in my eyes. Take German Shepherds, for instance, they almost always suffer from hip disease and have shorter lives riddled with pain in their latter years and they are often put down. Mean while the freak Dionaea could just keep growing . . .
    If you can't see the hypocrisy and or disregard required to make a carnivore into a vegan, no amount of changing the subject to the genetic anomalies of dogs is going to help...........
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    You would need a huge handbag to accommodate a wolf, and it would most likely eat your friends chihuahau

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubRosa View Post
    If you can't see the hypocrisy and or disregard required to make a carnivore into a vegan, no amount of changing the subject to the genetic anomalies of dogs is going to help...........
    Yeah I do see the hypocrisy in that. I don't remember ever bringing that subject up though. For me this debate has always been about selective breeding.

    The only point I am trying to make is that selective breeding is selective breeding, we do it to countless organisms and many of them become biologically 'defunct' and require our care in order to survive. These fly traps are no different than cats or dogs, chickens, geese, GMO crops, or what-have-you. If left to fend for themselves in the bog, these trapless plants would eventually get selected against instead of for, just as tiny dogs would go the way of the dodo if left in the wild and polish chickens would evolve away from having vision blocking plumage.

    I'm just very amused to see such animosity towards such a small and (truly) harmless bunch of plants!
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    Isn't the point of cultivars to be distinctly different I see why no traps will silly though I would take one I really like strange plants

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