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    Spec,
    if you said to me ""I think it is really unfair to believe that your religion, your evolutionist book, your whatever is the only true way to get to God."

    I would agree with you! that would be unfair..
    and you are also saying that would be unfair arent you?
    so arent you agreeing with LAT then?!

    maybe im not understanding you now!
    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]

    well, I think we ALL agree that its unfair for anyone to claim they know the absolute truth, and that anyone who disagrees with their version of the truth is automatically wrong..
    so lets just leave it at that! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    Scot

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    Quote (scottychaos @ July 22 2003,11:17)
    Spec,
    if you said to me ""I think it is really unfair to believe that your religion, your evolutionist book, your whatever is the only true way to get to God."

    I would agree with you! that would be unfair..
    and you are also saying that would be unfair arent you?
    so arent you agreeing with LAT then?!

    maybe im not understanding you now!
    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]

    well, I think we ALL agree that its unfair for anyone to claim they know the absolute truth, and that anyone who disagrees with their version of the truth is automatically wrong..
    so lets just leave it at that! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    Scot[/QUOTE]
    OK I'm lost now too... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/img] Yes i think you misunderstood me too...

    yes lets just leave it at that... I'mt oo lost to get back on track now... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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    It's amazing. An old topic now becomes such a hot one! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
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    I'm Sorry I was not dissing Caplock at all. I think he/or she has a very good head on his/her shoulder.

    Spec, I think you saw an insult where there was none, in the least. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]

    So, I'm Sorry for stepping on any toes. I do not mean to stir up any bad blood at all. Just love that you are free to believe anything you want, that you can live anyway you want, don't impose your beliefs on anyone else, and love your VFT that's all I really wanted to get across.

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    hmmm..very interesting! Spec, I think I figured out what we both are saying! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img]

    Imagine there is a PERSON! any person at all..
    doesnt matter exactly who it is.
    (im using PERSON instead of Capslock becuse its not clear to me that capslock even said that at all! so im just making up a person)
    the Person says:

    "My religion is the only true path to God."

    Is this a fair statement??

    (Scot's view) No, it isnt. the PERSON has no right to say that!
    because he doesent absolutely know it is true. he is saying ALL other religions are wrong, and only his is correct..pretty arrogant! so Scot views it as "wrong" and "not a fair statement"

    (Spec's view) the PERSON has every right to say and think that! because he can hold any opinion about religion he wants to! so there is nothing wrong with saying that at all..
    (which, oddly, I also agree with)

    Is that it?? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    but Spec, if the PERSON can hold any view he wants...why cant LAT?
    the PERSON's statement is very offensive to many people, myself included..but I agree he can think that if he wants to..
    BUT! LAT can also think the person is WRONG!
    both people have the right to think the other person is wrong..
    so you cant pick-and-choose and say "this person has the right to think his religion is the only correct religion..but LAT does NOT have the right to disagree..disagreeing will be considered rude"

    nope, it has to go both ways..personally I find the PERSON's statement FAR more offensive that LAT's!

    now, to get back to confusion again, do I have the right to say you are wrong for disagreeing with LAT and thinking he was rude?
    no..(and yes)
    but were you wrong?
    yes, from my view only..but is my opinion on this matter "the truth"?
    nope..
    arent you entitled to think LAT was rude?
    yep.
    was he?
    according to me, no.
    according to you?
    yes.
    am I being rude to you? (spec)
    to me, not at all..
    to you? maybe..
    does ANY of it really matter?
    nope.
    so who really said ANYTHING wrong at all in this entire thread??
    no one..


    ok good..im confused again..(not really&#33[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
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    Scot

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    *shakes head in dizzy confusion over last post*
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    Edit: Agrees with next post (which is nice and simple)!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img]

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    Like Scotty is saying, there are just some different opinions going and no real disagreements.
    Keep it smooth and friendly [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
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    I haven't read all of this thread, but I hope I can contribute something of value here--I've stuided the history of evolution and philosophy of religion at the university level.

    Instead of responding to arguments here, I think it is important to clarity a few concepts. First, I do not believe in any sort of god, but it is ridiculous to say the following:

    1.) By random mutation and natural selection, organisms have evolved on earth over billions of years.
    2.) Therefore, god does not exist.

    This is a silly, flawed argument!

    People that harp evolution as a subsitute for religion have no idea how silly this looks. If evolutionary theory is true (which it is) then biblical creation in a week is false (given, of course, a literal interpretation of the bible).

    I've had countless long, frustrating arguments about religion with many people. It's like politics. A few things to keep in mind:

    Evolution only poses a threat to fundamentalists. Many Christians say that god can "guide" evolution, or that the week of creation is metaphorical.

    Learn some philosophy--it is very rewarding. Understand the basic arguments *for* god--the ontological, cosmological, and design arguments. Know the powerhouse argument against the concept of god--the problem of evil.

    The main reason for posting this is that I've seen the argument "Well Christianity worked before Darwin came along..." a thousand times, and it's emphatically wrong every time I see it. Christianity's critics come in the form of philosophy (same with criticism for Hindu and Islam and Zoroastrian and and so on). I've had friends who are professors of Zoology that think Darwin crushed religion. It's such a common mistake that I felt a need to clarify. If anything, Darwinism cast a seed of doubt about religion, but for many christians the science doesn't pose a "threat."

    Jake

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