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    Tony,

    As far as I know, the so called spider form has only been seen in one picture from Japan, and looks like it's called that because that's what the tag in the picture says.

    Actually, here's the info on it:

    Dionaea Muscipula 'Spider'

    Longer than normal petioles, and lots of thin teeth on the traps. For overall diameter of plant, this is one of the largest due to the very long petioles. The petioles in later season are very upright, many of them growing absolutely vertical, which makes this plant stand out when grown amongst other VFTs due to the length of the petioles making it look much taller than the rest. I have found the roots of this plant to be unusually short considering how long it's leaves are. Very vigorous.

    Doesn't sound too different from some other forms really.
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    More confusing... Dionaea muscipula 'Paradisia'? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]

    'Crested Petioles'
    'Oxford'
    'Long Red Fingers' [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]
    ....
    Seems like people are really just taking an interest.


    Even more interesting, most of these unheard of forms come from japan apparently.
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    Vertigo,
    I wonder if these aren't different forms, but difficulties translating Japanese into English? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]
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    Schloaty,

    That's the idea that i'm going with. What if 'Spider' was just an elongated giant form? From what i've seen "Giant" doesn't always mean the traps. Heck, I have VFT seeds that are labeled 'Giant Plant' and 'Large Traps'.
    I'm just sticking with quite a few of the newer names especially are just synonyms for the same plant in a different country, kind of like slang.
    What needs to be done is for someone to actually collect at least a few of these and compare them to registered or at least known of types and forms, and actually make a list of which names are duplicated on a description of a plant. Then maybe we can get a few registered with an actual name so that it's a little less confusing.
    If I can get my hands on them, I might just do it. Dionaea muscipula deserves a bit more respect of its forms than it's really gotten. Plus, if someone doesn't clear it all up soon, it looks like it will get worse. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/img]
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    I do believe that the ICPS cultivar registration is the best chance to sort out the ID mess. At least it will provide a central data base of photographs with legitimate names attached. If nothing else this would afford a starting point. Until there is a central reference, there will never be any resolution: Dionaea is far too variable both in terms of phenotypic expression and environmental factors affecting this expression, and it is just plain human nature to attempt to segregate these varoius permutations by giving them a new name. I just wish that someone would initiate the process: the system is only as good as growers are willing to make it. Until this happens, there is no option other than personal opinion as to what constitutes a "cultivar", and there are nearly as many personal opinions as there are growers!
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    Thanks for the constructive comments guys. I realize now that I was a bit too quick to make some of the statements in the original post, but I'm glad people are taking interest regardless. Apologies if I misconstrued any of the "Fang" thread.

    I am glad, however, that other people agree that some cultivars are just goofy. And I use the word cultivar in the dictionary sense--just a plant that, selected for some quality, had been maintained and propagated. I'm sure more exclusive definitions are around to better suit what I'm trying to get across.

    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]

    In any case, thanks for the 'Creeping Death' pics. It should be very interesting to see if this plant turns out to be something that always puts out those long petioles.

    Jake

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    Arrow

    Thank you for the dictionary definition. It was the repeat of a common debate, not this one thred that sparked my confution.

    As to grouping plants and getting things together, I've already started the process, but it isn't prooving to be easy. I began by collecting images of different so called varients. I was able to cut down the actual number by quite a lot. However, their are a lot of them I can't trust to a photoe and finding the darn things is just about impossible. If anyone finds new places to buy a varient, please, let me know, My list is huge and it's not shrinking fast enough (*sarchasim* woo hoo, I have 2 varients, yae)
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