Pond Boy, It's the other Steve (vft guy in SJ ) with the nice lookin' VFT's. He got the green thumb, I got the rugged good looks. I just can't seem to find them at the moment though. I know they're around here some where.........[b said:Quote[/b] (pond boy @ April 08 2004,7:30)]Btw nice pics bck! your "clumping cv." looks just like mine same redish brown color you ought to try the "typical" vfts pft sells there traps are blood red!