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    Now wait a second here. Starman, you are making some pretty broad statements. Please bear in mind that there are many different ways to successfully grow flytraps; there is no ONE method engraved in stone. Yes, there are some general rules that need to be followed (pure water, dormancy, etc.) but you have to bear in mind where the grower lives.

    Flytraps like full sun or very bright light. An east window may or may not provide enough light. Here in VA USA, that would NOT be enough light...thats only a few hours of weak sunlight. But somewhere else in the world an east window would mean strong light and it might be enough.

    VFTs can be grown quite wet...they live in bogs. They are sometimes submerged. If being wet killed them, there would be no flytraps in the wild. The Mother is not carefully monitoring how much rain she dumps on her plants. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]

    "Less sun" isn't very clear. What the plants need is reduced photoperiod. That means less HOURS of light (mimicing winter's shortened days). They also need cold/cool temps too. They are fine left outdoors in most temperate areas. You can put them in the refrigerator for dormancy too. Temps?....mine have been frozen solid...they are fine.

    As for dormancy in a garage...would that suggestion work for someone living in California? Or Singapore? Nope.

    Anytime you offer growing advice...its best to use words like "In my experience..." or "Its my understanding that..."

    Blanket statements won't always help people in different locations than you. With any CP, there are always those growers who successfully break the "DO NOT"s.



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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Starman @ June 13 2004,7:35)]I disagree with you,Jason. No dormacy does mean death. Did your plant have a dormacy last year? If not,your plant will eventually get weak and die. After winter, it will take around 8 months for your plant to die if it did not recieve dormacy. If you live in hot climates, put them in a fridge. If you dont believe me, e-mail Peter"D amato(author of savage garden) He has been growing VFts for more than 15 years, so I think he would know. Or you can check out his growing guide fo VFTs(Its on his website)
    Missing just one dormancy does not mean death... Who said they die in 8 months? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img] They wont die if they miss just one dormancy, but the plant usually doesnt do as well the next year. Miss dormancy for a second year and its likely to be very small the next year... miss a 3rd dormancy and its gonna get weak and die [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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    You can use the tap if the ppm of total dissovled minerals are under 106. Btw in the winter my plants get frozen during the night an it hasn't hurt my plant.

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    Its been said before and I'll say it again...The Savage Garden is a good book BUT take it with a grain of salt. Don't feel like you must grow your plants word for word according to TSG. There ARE some errors in it. Read other books, research online, ask questions. Draw your OWN conclusions from ALL the material you've studied.

    You need to learn how to grow your plants according to YOUR location and conditions. And one of the best ways is to study their natural habitat (water, temps, sunlight, soil, etc.) and try to mimic that.

    And experiment...if you are keeping your plants on the dry side and they aren't looking good, try keeping them wet. If you think they look too long and leggy...try giving them more light.

    Follow the basic tenets and you should be fine: pure water, a lot of light, nutrient-poor soil, 3-4 month dormancy period with reduced photoperiod and cool/cold temps.
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    Well plant a Kiss, I DID research where they live. The plants DO sometimes get submerged and waterlogged, but this does not persist, that is why I said they dont appreciate being constantley waterlogged. You CAN waterlogg them from time to time. The things I said DID work for me, that is why I gave the advice out. I NEVER give out advice that does not work.
    If your windowsill gets 4 or less hours of indirect sunlight, but if it is very bright during other times, it will probably work. And yes, there is more than one way to grow VFTs. I grow my plants on an east facing windowsill, they grow fine. Even Peter D"amato says they grow fine on east facing windowsill, and I have been growing them on an east facing windowsill well before I got his book. I have just given out advice that works for me. And I will say it again on dormacy, it does mean death. Long ago I didnt give my VFT a dormacy, and about 6-8 months later I was surprised when it died. Howerer, I will not keep arguing with all of you about dormacy.
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    I agree with PAK, I do recommend "Savage Garden", I even said it in this thread, but dont feel you have to everything that it says EXACTLY.
    For ex: I dont use the recommended soil exactly, and my plants are doin fine.
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    Starman,

    Just let me give you a tad of advice; Saying "even peter did it", doesn't give you much backup these days in the CP world [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smilie4.gif[/img]

    Lets not start manufacturing wrist bands that say: "WWPD?" [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_k_ani_32.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img] !!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img] !!!

    They may not like being waterlogged in certain potting soil, ie a very COMPACT one. If your VFTs are gropwing in a very airy, open mix, they may appreciate being waterlogged. I personally have best results by not keeping them fully submerged for long periods.

    Starman, how is this arguing? its debating! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smilie4.gif[/img] Learning how to debate can be very important later in life...

    You have to take into consideration other things that may have caused the VFTs death after 8 months. It may not have been JUST dormancy that did it. Wrong potting soil maybe? Or perhaps little to no sunlight with too much water?

    Think about something a little more before shouting out that they WILL die NO MATTER WHAT without a dormancy in 8 months. Having it happen with just ONE plant doesnt mean it will happen with every other plant. Maybe you just had a weak clone?

    Like I said, think about something before you post. Believe me, ask NepenthesGracilis yourself, and the first thing he'll say is "Yep, that spec has made a lot of mistakes in his early years in the forums" ...

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