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    Quote[/b] (peter @ June 18 2004,7:12)]VTPTFATHAVFT, I have to disagree with just about everything that you said...LOL
    Fridge dormacy is the worst way to go, MANY people have lost plants through it including me. Even though you have fungicides and what not, the chances of infection is great. The main reason why many plants in the fridge die is because there is no air circulation going around causing stagnant air to stick around cause a fungal infection.
    53* is way cool enough for a plant to have it's dormacy. Actually that's around lowest temps during the winter in North Carolina where Venus Flytraps live. Just trust me on this issue, leave the plant outside for dormacy and it'll come back alot healthier and more vigorous the next growin season since it can have photosynthysis, thus making energy stores for the winter time. There doesn't need to be as much light, just leave it in a area where there isn't too much shade and gets light.
    In the Fridge there is no light so no new energy is created making a weaker plant.
    I haven't tried the fridge method all to often due to plant death, but if you do try it because of the temperatures or something, leaving it in the pot would be better, so at least the plant can conentrate on growing it's root for next year. Bareroot doesn't allow for as good of root growth.

    For how long do temps in your area stay below 65*, if it is for at least two months then you'll be fine.

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    Its OK peter, you did not offend me and I know you arent mean [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] . I use fridge dormancy and it works fine. If I didnt use fridge dormancy, I wouldnt be able to put my plants into dormancy. I see where you stand, but for me fridge dormancy is perfectly fine. I recommend it especially to the ones in hot areas like Florida, California, other hot areas in the US, Asia, Africa, S. America other "tropical areas", etc. Your method depends on where you live.
    You may think that fridge dormancy is the worst way to go, people will agree with you too, but that is solely your opinion
    Sometimes, it is the only way to go.
    Also I dont worry about circulation in my fridge. My family is constantly getting veggies from the veggie drawer, and thats where I put my VFTs. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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    Huh? Peter, my garage is not completely dark. I put my plants in there for a dormacy, and they are still alive. If you ask me, a garage is perfect because
    the maximum it does is stop the plants from freezing. At least in my garage(I thought all garages were the same) How come all your plants froze inside the garage, peter? Nothing EVER freezes in my garage. And, you CAN put your plants in a fridge for a dormacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (peter @ June 19 2004,4:12)]Sorry if I sound like a meanie or something, but I just want the correct information to be read. So no offense to anyone [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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    Quote[/b] ]VTPTFATHAVFT, I have to disagree with just about everything that you said...LOL
    You're lucky. I got bashed when I said something JUST like that, because I embarrassed the person. Please try to refrain from saying such things (ie, LOL! )
    I agree with just about everything he said.

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    Quote[/b] ]Fridge dormacy is the worst way to go
    Uh, no... (See Scotts post ^ )

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]MANY people have lost plants through it including me.
    True, but more likely than not the people that lost plants were either first timers or did something wrong. I never lost a plant when I did fridge dormancy



    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Even though you have fungicides and what not, the chances of infection is great. The main reason why many plants in the fridge die is because there is no air circulation going around causing stagnant air to stick around cause a fungal infection.
    I must agree, I had to take out several plants and re-fungacide them. But that was mainly because I was skimpy on the fungacide. USE IT LIBERALLY!

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    Quote[/b] ]53* is way cool enough for a plant to have it's dormacy. Actually that's around lowest temps during the winter in North Carolina where Venus Flytraps live. Just trust me on this issue, leave the plant outside for dormacy and it'll come back alot healthier and more vigorous the next growin season since it can have photosynthysis, thus making energy stores for the winter time. There doesn't need to be as much light, just leave it in a area where there isn't too much shade and gets light.
    53 F. ... NOT LOW ENOUGH FOR DORMANCY! Here in the summer in CALIFORNIA, the nights go down to the 40s!!

    It gets much lower than 53 F. in NC... What are you talking about? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img]

    NO, DO NOT leave it in an area that gets ANY FULL SUNLIGHT!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/mad.gif[/img] Most likely the pot would heat up to over 70 degrees!

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    Quote[/b] ]In the Fridge there is no light so no new energy is created making a weaker plant.
    Not true... What happens when you open the fridge? They get light. Even for only 5 minutes a day, that is enough for a flytrap.

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    Quote[/b] ]I haven't tried the fridge method all to often due to plant death, but if you do try it because of the temperatures or something, leaving it in the pot would be better, so at least the plant can conentrate on growing it's root for next year. Bareroot doesn't allow for as good of root growth.
    That takes up way too much space, plus there would be MUCH higher risk of fungus with a pot in the fridge. Plus its not sanitary for humans!

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    Quote[/b] ]For how long do temps in your area stay below 65*, if it is for at least two months then you'll be fine
    No, just no! 65 is way too high! under 45F.

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    Quote[/b] ]Sorry if I sound like a meanie or something, but I just want the correct information to be read. So no offense to anyone [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
    no, you have been a meanie. But if you want the correct info to be read, then delete all of your posts in this thread. And you're the one stuffing words in Scotts mouth! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/mad.gif[/img]

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    Starman, I never said you couldn't put plants in the Fridge. That's what I do for a couple of weeks or until my garage isn't freezing, since I live up here in Michigan. I just think that leaving them outside it the best way to go.
    For a couple weeks here in Michigan, temps stay way below zero outside, so freezing everything in the garage including my plants. Also this is off and on so that is even worse and that is why my plants died in the garage.
    It's fine to do dormacy in the garage if temps stay relatively cold outside, but if they are in the 50 and 60 for the most part, and plant will think that it is a light dormacy, so thereforth still try to get light and do photosythysis. And without the proper light they just waste their energy and start to decline in health.
    But if temps stay much cooler then that then the plants enter a real dormacy, so lighting isn't really as big of an issue.
    Anyways if someone with temps in the 52* max put their plants in the garage then wouldn't it be warmer like in the 65's or above? So temps would be a little too warm there for dormacy.
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    Also, Peter, When Scott talked about the 60 F. windowsill, HE WAS REFERRING TO THE TEMPERATURE, NOT WHERE IT WAS!

    Barry Rice, any imput?

    VTPTFATHAVFT, actually on the coast it gets pretty darn cold... All of my lowland nepenthes died last year because the greenhouse got under 32 F.! Thats a common temperature on the coast! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_k_ani_32.gif[/img] I didnt think the greenhouse would cool down to the outside temperature though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (peter @ June 20 2004,1:27)]But if temps stay much cooler then that then the plants enter a real dormacy, so lighting isn't really as big of an issue.
    Anyways if someone with temps in the 52* max put their plants in the garage then wouldn't it be warmer like in the 60's or above? So temps would be a little too warm there for dormacy.

    Thanks
    You just contradicted everything you were trying to tell us within the past few days.

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    Opps, sorry I ment in the 65's (Just edited it). Ok, I guess I went a little overbord with the whole dormacy thing. Sorry you guys.
    The 92 fish, if you want to do the refrigerator thing go ahead. But if you want to minimize the risks of diseases (Maybe my fridge is just contaminated with ?), then outside is the way to go. But what ever works for you, and tell us what you decide to do in the end ok? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]

    Just from last dormacy here is what died in my fridge-
    15- mature Venus Flytrap Typicals
    1- D. Binita
    2- Nice sized Judith Hindle
    2- small D. "Dentate"
    1- small D. "Akai Ryu"
    1- medium Sarracenia Hybrid
    See my point now? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_o_32.gif[/img]
    The Typicals were some of my prized pocessions they where huge! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_h_32.gif[/img]

    But my point to all those posts is that if weather permits, outside is the way to go if you want a stronger plant for next year.
    We should have a poll maybe.... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Spectabilis73 @ June 19 2004,4:27)]VTPTFATHAVFT, actually on the coast it gets pretty darn cold... All of my lowland nepenthes died last year because the greenhouse got under 32 F.! Thats a common temperature on the coast! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_k_ani_32.gif[/img] I didnt think the greenhouse would cool down to the outside temperature though!
    Ok, I understand, but my point was that if your winter temps are too high, fridge dormancy is for you. Right. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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