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    http://www.**********.com/cgi-bin....;t=8511

    It explains almost everything about dormancy, which dormancy you use. etc.

    Conclusion: If you CANT get your temps low enough for a dormancy because of your house, your enviroment/where you live use fridge dormancy.
    If you CAN get your temps low enough for dormancy, put it in the appropriate place.

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    92nd Fish, where do you live?
    Do you live in England which is in the U.S, or do you
    live in England which is in Europe? Well, which England?
    All the advice I gave for dormacy was if you lived in Europe England.
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    Ok now you all went and got my attention [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/mad.gif[/img]

    No more bashing eachother for using different methods of dormancy.

    Dionaea simply need a rest period. Fridges work, Garages work, Outdoors work, Unheated rooms work etc etc etc etc. It all depends on your own growing situation. As long as temperatures are cool and everything else is in balance. My plants in the greenhouse don't go below 55 ever and they go through all the seasonal growth changes for a happy VFT and grow just fine year after year.

    If you want to use a fridge use a fridge.. the temps are so cold the plant doesn't grow at all and doesn't need light.
    If you live in a climate that is nice and cool but rarely freezes.. keep them outside.. they will grow slowly all Winter like the plants in my green house so will still need nice bright light and moisture but will get the rest they need.

    blah blah blah...
    now keep it civil!

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    Ok, I re-edited all the posts. I want to officially say that I am sorry to anyone that I annoyed in this post. I truely mean it too!
    Sometimes my brain just goes into arguing mode and all those other things go out of consideration and that is when....
    First, off I will promise from now on I will talk in a more civilized manner and will take everyones oppinion into consideration. I guess I did kind of contradicted myself, where in one post I stated that what works for one person might now work the best for the next.
    But when taking into consideration of the temperatures, I did do some research before posting information. While searching through the internet I found an article that mentioned that, Venus Flytrap populations actually did much better then in their home state. These places included much of Florida, California, and some other warmer places. So I then looked at the averages of the areas and notices that temps didn't tip below the 50's for very long, or even at all. In North Carolina I forgot to mention the Night Temps for the days, that is probably why the temperatures was on the high side for my average temp of NC. But, again according to Barry Rice which Scottychaos gave me a link to he metioned that as long as temps don't go above 75* then everything will be fine. That I might have to disagree with him a little, because in Mighigan temperatures right now are in the 75's and the plants are slowly putting out their "Summer" leaves. So that is why I decided that 65* was a safe choice to deal with.
    Spectabilis73, with the sun shining on the plants, I don't think that the plants would heat up that much. But, I also forgot to take into account the wind chill which brings the overall temp of 53* down a little more even. 92 fish, for the 53* is that the night temps or just the daily average of both combined?

    I think that reason that my plants don't do so swell in the fridge is because my mom doesn't let me use Dangerous Fungcides which could have the possibility of contaminating the food. So Neem oil and other natural products are my only option.
    I never really said that you had to put a plant still potted in the fridge. All I simply said was that it would help the plants health if you have space and can fit in a pot or two. I think this doesn't go so much for Venus Flytraps, But I do know that Sarracenia's do alot of their root growing in the winter. Anyways, I don't really see why putting dirt in the fridge would be that unsanitary, doesn't our vegetables come unwashed somwhat anyways? I would think that chemicals in the fungicides would cause more harm then a little peat moss.
    For the lighting issue in the fridge, I think that with all the leaves/traps cut off, a plant cant really preform photosynthysis anyways.
    Ok, I can't really argue about the fridge dormacy since I have only done it two times.
    (P.S. Spectabilis73, before commenting on what I said in the last posts on dormacy, read the information links that scottychaos reffered to)

    I guess there are good things about the Fridge dormacy though, here are the pros that I can think of-
    - Less worrying about watering
    - Just less taking care of overall



    Again, sorry for everything I've caused ,
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    Hi Peter,

    In all honesty---it sounds like you are doing something wrong--if You are having that much trouble with fridge dormancy. It works great for me and many others.

    Here are some thoughts:

    1) check the temps at the location in your fridge where the plants will actually be. Micro-enviroments occur throughout your fridge---bottom is colder than top, etc.

    2) Here's one thing that I have never heard mentioned on these boards that may make a difference: What TYPE of bags that You put your plants into for dormancy. I use zippable SANDWHICH bags, NOT freezer bags. Why? Air flow and moisture exchange. The only real difference between sandwhich bags and freezer bags is the %age of a chemical (the long name of which I don't recall) that inhibits air flow and moisture exchange. Freezer bags have a greater %age of this chemical--allowing LESS air flow and moisture exchange. Creating a more stagnant environment--enhancing fungal growth.

    I don't have any problems with the fridge dormancy method. I do bareroot (roots washed), entirely wrapped (untrimmed, except for dead/dying leaves/traps/etc) in damp paper towels, in sandwhich bags, in the top of the fridge. I see some fungal "spots" on the paper towels, but I don't worry about it and they all pull through fine. And grow like weeds in the spring/summer.

    If you are having large losses with the fridge method---You are missing something.

    BTW, I don't use a fungicide.

    HTH

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    I had four VFT's in my butter keeper for a month of its dormancy, but not enclosed in a bag. The fridge has a fan to circulate air and attempt to keep the air temp uniform. I had no problems NOT putting them in bags. Was I just lucky? Three out of four bloomed and all four came through dormancy witjout any discernible problems.

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    Hi jimscott,

    Honestly, I don't know. Some put their plants in the fridge potted. I have way too many for that--unless I want to buy another fridge lol. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_k_ani_32.gif[/img]

    But for those that DO use bags--try ziplock sandwich bags, if you've been having problems.

    Hi peter,

    I think you'll have a LOT better success if You just skip the "Neem oil and other natural products" all together. My guess is that they are whats killing your plants.

    I don't use any fungicide at all, and most sources I've come across say its an O-P-T-I-O-N, not a requirement. This last winter I had a 100% success rate with fridge dormancy on about 20 VFTs.

    I see some fungal spots on the paper towels, but I don't sweat it, and everything comes out fine.

    This is the long and short of what I do and how I do it:

    I gently unpot the plants, rinse them in the sink to remove as much dirt as possible. Wrap them entirely--leaves and all--in damp-to barely wet paper towels, put them in ziplock sandwich bags in the top of the fridge and come back in 3 months. I may open the bags once or twice for air exchange---I may not. Just depends.

    When many people are having success with something and You are not--it just means that You are doing something improper and need to re-evaluate each step. In this case, I would say u need to eliminate one step: Neem Oil et al.

    All the reading that you are doing is great, but life will teach you that E-X-P-E-R-I-E-N-C-E is the teacher. "Book Knowledge" is only a tool. Experience teaches your class. I've learned this the hard way. I'm not one to just follow along behind the others and just do what they do. I'm always looking for some "Better" way of doing things. After many failures---one learns to pay attention to what others do, how they do it and WHY! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img] By being open now to both sides of the fence I feel that I am in a better position to make "Continual Process Improvements" on whatever the endeavor. I'm probably wrong, but it sure sounds like progress! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

    Anyway, here's a thought for You: If You want to try my method--use some riskable plants this winter, and do what You feel is best for your more valuable plants. You can email me at any time with any questions that You may have on it, and I've no doubt that there are plenty of others here that would be willing to offer info.

    You've done TOOOO much reading and are putting WAY too much thought into all of this. I know that sounds crazy, but this is the voice of Experience tapping you on the shoulder. Life moves towards life. If you give it the room to move, to do its thing, it will move in the direction that you want it to. You're smothering it with all your "Thought" and "Knowledge". Give it some room.

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    This discussion confuses me. I had a bunch of vfts (about 8 plants) growing indoors for about 3 years. I left them in a windowsill all year round--I live in New Hampshire, USA. So, the winters are pretty cold, but the house is heated so the vfts stayed around 60F, at least, during the winters. So, they couldn't have gone dormant. I never had a problem.

    Then, I transplanted them into a window box and let them stay outside for a summer. They loved it! Grew and grew and grew. I didn't know how to bring them in for the winter because the window box was so big (can't put it in the fridge, and didn't want the window box in the house). So, I did what was suggested here. I put them in the garage (unheated). They died!!!

    I have a new batch this year and they are growing great in their 3" pots. I plan to transplant them into the same windowbox. But I am nervous about this winter. I certainly won't put them in the garage! So, I plan on leaving them in a window sill somewhere where the box they are in won't look too wierd.

    Any thoughts as to why they died in the garage?
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