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    I don't know what is affecting my plants in the fridge... I don't think that neem oil is really the problem. Here is what happens when I left some of them in the fridge last year- I unpotted my plants, and sprayed it with fungicide (neem oil). Then I put all of them in a ziplock baggie and left them in the fridge. First what happened was all the sudden the plants just slowly got mushy from the inside and spreaded outwards killing the plants. I don't even know if it was some type of Fungus or what... I must of done something wrong though. Maybe this year I will take all of your guys advice and experiment them on a couple of plants to see what happens.
    My plan is to stick all of them in the fridge when it goes below freezing outside, and when it drops to severe temps were the garage is below freezing I will them put all of my plants in a fridge for a week or two until the cold spell is gone.
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    I have a friend in Brazil who grows them with success without any cold dormancy whatsoever. Understand that dormancy is really determined mostly by daylength. My friends plants never stop growing, but the growth becomes slower and the leaves and traps smaller. As daylength increases, so do the size of these parts. Plants flower with success and set seed.
    Certainly cold is an added benefit: all processes slow down in cold conditions, and nutrient reserves which are produced in the growing season are conserved in cold conditions resulting in rapid spring growth. What is important is to limit the photoperiod, and keep it as close to natural daylength as possible. The fridge will work for small numbers of plants. I would remove the bulbs from their pots carefully, protecting the roots as much as possible from breakage, and trim off the leaves since the main route of water loss is through the leaf stoma were I to use this method (I don't). I discourage the use of fungicide unless there are obvious instances of mold. Routine use of fungicide does little more than to select for tougher strains of mold, and eventually the product will not be effective. I would also bag the bulbs after wrapping in a bit of moist LFS (live if possible) as this moss has natural aniseptic qualities that discourages fungal growth. In my fridge, uncovered food dries out within a week.

    Last winter, my plants overwintered in nearly aquatic conditions with my Sarracenia just above freezing with not a single loss, and I will be experimenting along these lines more this season. Water does not seem to affect my plants, and apparently mold cannot grow underwater.

    I find naja02's comments to be spot on, especially regarding the use of book learning, and adding anything to the mix which does not need to be there.

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    Hi Tamlin,

    Thanx for the support.

    After your comments here and Tony's earlier in this thread---I am seriously considering trying a windowsill dormancy. I have 14 different VFT "Cultivars" with 2 more on the way, and, frankly, the thought of putting some of them in the fridge scares me! LOL I am in zone 7, and an interior window box is something that I've been considering for a while. If I could just leave them there all year round---That would be Great!

    Maybe through all this hoopla we can discover that the VFT dormancy isn't quite what it once seemed. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    Hi peter,

    Here's an added thought on the whole dormancy thing:

    You COULD try your "fridge" experiments and just kind of skip this yrs dormancy for your more valued plants. Do a windowsill dormancy in the coldest room/window of your house and you wouldn't be entirely skipping the dormancy. Skipping dormancy is a viable option and would give you an opportunity to experiment and hopefully find a fridge system this yr that works for you.

    I've been seriously considering skipping this yrs dormancy on my more sensitive VFTs, but this window box idea is looking better and better for me. I can do it quickly and inexpensively.


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    Ok, Naja02 if you read any of my other posts in the Venus Flytrap thread, you would know that I am a person who goes against the books. The only reason I wrote specific info based on Barry Rices site was to disprove ScottyChaos's information which contridicted most of what he said.
    I grow most of my plants based on my experience with them, and only the basics of what I read. If you don't believe what I just said, go back a couple forums and read my past posts.
    I think I have figures out what killed alot of my plants last year- alot of them were in the dreaded Scotts peat moss which contains bad sand as all of you guys know from back posts. During dormacy I think their roots died, then leading up to the plants. I didn't find out about this whole Scotts peat moss ordeal until this spring, and was able to save some plants that were weakened tremendously by root death.
    So maybe Fridge Dormacy isn't so bad after all... maybe I will give it another shot this year without using the Scotts peat moss [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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    Hi peter,

    My comments above were not advice to "go against the books", nor was it to go "with" the books. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]

    A few more years and a few more projects down the road---you may begin to understand exactly what those comments mean.

    Hopefully, You are correct on the Scott's peat moss and your problem will be solved for now and the future. However, Tamlin's thoughts/advice on not using ANY fungicide is very valid and the same reasoning applies to the overuse of antibiotics with humans. The short of it is: The unnecessary use of fungicide is just causing natural selection for fungi that we won't have a cure for. Eventually it will arrive and then what are You going to do? Samething as everybody else: Dread the fungus attack and watch your plants die. With antibiotics though: It will be your children, your spouse, your family and friends. Maybe yourself, But its nothing to worry about, so sleep tight. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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    Naja02: At what point do you remove them from the soil and wrap them in moist towels? Is it when they are already asleep?

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    Again, I already know what those little comments you write mean, did you follow my directions and reread back posts regarding about this issue? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    The thing is Naja02, I ONLY use neem oil for a reason [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img]

    As a fungicide neem is mainly used as a preventative and when disease is just starting to show. It coats the leaf surface which in turn prevents the germination of the fungal spores, so actually it doesn't kill the fungus like other dangerous fungicides it is a preventative so Fungus can't build a resistance to it. Now if I was to use Ortho or some other thing it would be a different story.

    Regarding about the Scotts thing, I've contacted them a while back and they said that they would look into the whole quality issue. Know at homedepots and Walmarts you should notice new bags that look different and should have better Peat Moss without the sand.
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    Hi jimscott,

    I do it around thanksgiving as suggested. Unless the plants are under growlights with a sustained photoperiod--then the daylight/length has shortened and your house has cooled some from the warmer months. These are ques that winter/sleeptime is arriving that your plants pick up on.

    I don't think I was aware of the antiseptic qualities of shpagmun moss that Tamlin mentioned--so that might be a better choice. The paper towel method that I've used worked well for me, but I am considering other options for this winter like the windowsill dormancy I mentioned trying earlier. I consider Tony and Tamlin both to be Experts in this entire CP arena, and their comments/experiences hold a lot of value for me. I have a room that I don't heat, that I will use to cool reptiles this yr. So, a widowsill setup might work really well in there for me.

    In short, if your plants are exposed to the natural photoperiod, even inside---then they should have enough ques to be ready for dormancy.


    Hi peter,

    No, I haven't taken the opportunity to read your back-posts. Believe it or not, being an adult, I have a host of responsiblities that you are not even aware of yet.

    A fungus strain that is resistant to neem oil will not be prevented from germinating. Hello? Your reasoning is faulty and you're not paying attention. You also have a lot to learn about the realities of how biological life operates--especially from an evolutionary standpoint.

    Also, as a PREventative--its being used unnecessarily in most cases. And if its being used "when disease is just starting to show"--then its not PREventative. Having trouble keeping up with yourself? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img]

    Hopefully, Scott's has corrected the problem. They are usually considered a safe choice (overall) when someone isn't sure what Brand to buy.

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