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Thread: Finally, a descently cared vft at walmart

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    Hi peter,

    I don't know your vendor, so these comments are not aimed entirely at him.

    Nobody can make any money raising and then selling plants (VFTs) that are 15+yrs old (per another post of yours) for +/-$2.00.

    Maybe since you know this guy fairly well and are young, he cut you a deal that can't be beat just to help keep you interested in CPs/VFTs, or because he likes you.

    If he's making any money at all--they were wild collected. You can't raise plants for 15 yrs and turn a profit @ $2.00. I can't think of any profitable reason to keep VFTs around that long, and then sell them that cheaply---doesn't mean there isn't one--just means that I can't THINK of one. But you CAN cut someone a deal, take a "loss" and feel very good about it.

    The vendor I was refferring to earlier offers 30 cents each from what I understand. If he sold them for $1.50 each--That's a 500% mark-up. Multiply that by a few thousand........::

    I doubt your vendor sells 10,000 10+yr old bulbs/yr. Most of them no doubt are the TC that you mentioned.

    The point is Economics dictates that you cannot raise plants like VFTs for 10-15 yrs, sell them for $2.00 and stay in business. Even land taxes would probably make it a lousy idea if you sowed a couple acres and came back in 10 yrs.

    But, again, sometimes people do nice things for their own reasons, and there's nothing wrong with that! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    Yes, I was just pulling your chain on the 10yr old cultivar(s). [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

    CYa!

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    For wholesale, I ment the 6 year old plants
    He mainly sold them that cheap to make space for other plants. If you think about it, if you raise hondred thousand plants outside in a greenhouse or bog, they take care of themselves baisically... he lives in the surrounding area where Dionaea's can live outside year round, so their isn't too much expense, then say if you live in Michigan.
    Again, remember that he does tissue culture too, where do you think your big Venus Flytraps came from then Naja02? I don't think that Red Dragons live in the wild...LOL

    Also, you have to remember that he is a WHOLESALE dealer , so he sells to many websites or distributors who then mark the plant prices up to nine or ten dollars. I don't think all Cp websites have been around here for 15 years... they probably buy the bigger bulbs from people like my vendor in big packs like a 100 and mark them up to like $15.00 bareroot because of the costs of electric bills, potting soil, ect. which my vendor doesn't have to pay since he lives in a region where Cps grow naturally.
    Guess how much the plants at Lowes cost w/o the markup?
    I bet you it is much less then what I bought them for! And accroding to you the plants are Big and are probably around 6-10 years old....Hmmm, that sounds pretty fimiliar to what I just said.
    In tissue culture you can probably get a 5 year old plant in a half a year, so maybe he only had the plants for five years but looks like a 15 year... How else does ********** sell nice sized plants for .80? Same with Dean Cook who I think sold 5 year old seed raised for $1.00 during the winter. It is a matter of producing so many plants that their plants can be sold cheap to others. And also those prices from Dean and PFT was not wholesale, now imagine wholesale prices... see what I mean now?
    So it is possible to sell those sized plants for 2.00 each and still make a profit. It is not a matter of giving me a break or something out of sorrow, heck I'm seventeen this year.

    Peter
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    Hi peter,

    My comments had nothing to do with sorrow--for you or anybody or anything else.

    I fully understand the chain that You are describing, but I also understand costs of doing business, ie. labor, Uncle Sam, permits, licenses, property taxes etc, etc, etc--a whole host of expenses that seem to crop up. (Pun intended)

    Often times a business will sell a product at cost or at original cost plus estimated overhead just to unload the current stock, because the season, trend, whatever is over or coming to a close. Sometimes they will even sell at a loss in order to reduce their overall loss (dimes on a dollar), or because the trend is over and they made sufficient profit DURING the trend to easily justify unloading the remaining stock quickly. Sometimes, because of Bankruptcy or product discontinuation--Hence, Big Lots, many types of "Dollar" stores, etc.

    That is My guess on why PFT is selling VFTs for 79cents: because the peak of the bulk buying season is pretty much over or coming to a close for this year, and they need to unload some overstock. Maybe I'm wrong.


    I guess that what I admittedly don't know enough about is TC. I was under the impression that the benefits of TC were much more short-term- I guess not. I wasn't under the impression that plants were raised for yrs in TC. I thought it was simply a matter of months.

    If your vendor, or anybody else, can legally raise VFTs with rhizomes that big and sell them for $2.00---I'm behind them completely. Some of my favorites are the "older" plants that I have.

    Additional notes on the costs of doing business:The more hands a product travels through--the more markups there are, The markups on living things varies considerably and is higher than non-living things, because living things die, Sometimes the packaging that a product comes in---costs more than the product itself!

    As a side note: Some small business owners will work their butt off, take their net 15k profit and a glass of wine and think they have done well for the yr. If they are happy---then I'm happy for them. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img] Just because someone "owns" a business--doesn't mean they are raking it in hand over fist, or that they are doing well. 9 out 10 business startups fail. #1 reason? Inadequate management. #2 reason? Growing too fast. Get past the first two for 5 yrs---and you MIGHT survive. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/img]

    But, heck, you're seventeen! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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