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    I would steal to save a persons life not a plant though unless it was in the wild.
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    And that is the difference. A human life is one thing, a commercially produced, we got a million of'em, plant is not worth losing your integrity over. If it were wild, yes, preservation of a destroyed habitat by saving as much as you can. But taking anothers property is NOT correct. I do admire Starman's tenacity though. Make a great conservationist someday. Remember, we are talking property. Not a wild plant. And besides, how do you know the person didn't just buy it, and knew it wouldn't die that day, and would last until he could get it home, and set it up properly? If the person did know what he/she was doing, and bought it to save it, well you just deprived them of the enjoyment of saving a life themselves by self righteously proclaiming yourself a saviour of their property. It was stolen, end of story.
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    Hey, the best solution came from a 13 tear old boy from Nevada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (jimscott @ Dec. 05 2004,8:24)].
    Yep! I also noticed Nickz123 disappeared after page 2 when he found out that he would not be hailed as the conquering hero, but rather as the thief he made himself. However, reading this thread makes me realize why plants that belonged to me were stolen at CP Society shows. I didn't deserve the d. macrophylla I had spent years germinating, because somebody else thought so. Dang! Maybe I should have liberated those d. capillaris that I thought looked a little dry, or that nep cutting 'cause maybe this guy doesn't know how to care for it, or that sarracenia that I saw looking a little peaked. I am glad this thread came up though. I have read the replies of a number of people that I can now put in my "Ya just can't trust them" category. 1 or 2 of those folks haven't shown much logic anyway. A real shame making up excuses to steal. Very lame.
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    The way I see it is that if he wanted to buy it as a impulse buy and kill it, or didn't know how, thats his/her business. No "CP rights laws". Also note that the dentate is a cultivar of sorts-not quite something you'd find in the wild so conservation doesn't quite apply here.

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    I love it how " losing your integrity" has worked its way into this discussion..
    so stealing the plant means " losing your integrity"??
    I would be more worried about my integrity if I did nothing and let the plant die..
    saving the plant would INCREASE my "integrity"..
    letting the plant die would result in a "loss of integrity"..

    hasnt anyone figured out by now that this whole thing is just minor shades of grey?
    they are good and bad aspects of either decision..taking the plant or leaving it.


    Taking the plant is "bad" for the neglectfull owner, because his property was "stolen"..and he lost his plant.
    But! NOT taking the plant is ALSO bad for the neglectfull owner, because he loses the plant anyway..(it dies)..
    so either way the original owner loses..so either way is a wash there.
    its "even" either way...both ways its a loss..

    Taking the plant is "bad" for Nick, because he "lost his intregrity",
    and he is a "theif"..
    Taking the plant is "good" for Nick, because he saved its life.
    thats morally better than letting it die..
    but taking the plant is morally worse than letting it die, because its stealing..
    so for Nick, its 50/50, depending on your point of view..
    so either way can be good, and either way can be bad..
    so its also a wash.

    Now..for the 3rd player in this drama, the plant itself.
    taking the plant is GOOD for the plant, becase it lives.
    Not taking the plant is BAD for the plant, it dies..
    so the plant is a clear-cut winner by it being "stolen"..
    so, when you add up the 3 players, only one scenerio is a clear-cut win..
    and that is stealing the plant, and the plant lives..

    therefore, taking the plant was obviously the right thing to do! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img]

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Bugweed @ Dec. 05 2004,3:25)]
    Quote Originally Posted by jimscott,Dec. 05 2004,8:24
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    Yep! I also noticed Nickz123 disappeared after page 2 when he found out that he would not be hailed as the conquering hero, but rather as the thief he made himself.
    or..an alternative theory..
    I noticed Nickz123 disapperared after page 2 when he found out what a bunch of self-rightious whiners and "holier than thou" types are on this forum.
    He made his decision, was happy with it, let the whole issue go, and didnt feel the need to waste his time by listening to people who insist on preaching endlessly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Bugweed @ Dec. 04 2004,10:52)]Limited perspectives. Wrong because it is stealing, right because it saved a plant. Personally, I would have left it alone, as it DID NOT belong to me. Saving it was a good thing, but at what cost to the person taking it. The law would not care about the fact it was saved, but more about the fact it wasn't yours to take. In effect, you became a poacher of sorts from stealing the plant, though your motives were good. The law doesn't care about your good intentions, and would put the screws to you in a heartbeat, and there goes a sterling reputation, shot to hel1. Regardless the intent, leave what does not belong to you alone. Shouldn't your parents have taught you this??
    thats not true... in law if rules are broken for good that is also taken into consideration. I.E. if a policeman kills a person because they were a threat to others.. the policeman wont be penalized. Or a person killing another for their protection. Even for something as simple as going past a red light because someone is sick or something like that, its all taken into consideration. i don't think theres a right or wrong here... just different ways of thinking about it. It just so happens most people here obey the law, or are following everyone else that posted it should have been left alone...
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