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    Bonjour

    see here all the temperate ping species up to date ( in french desolate)

    http://fern72.free.fr/siteweb/giemor.html
    if you click on a species you have its taxonomy, its habitat, its morphology, photos in / ex situ.

    If not specified another form, it's nearly always the type form, which is fairly standard for most species.

    I do not agree with that, when one speaks of grandiflora only ,one speaks indifferently of the species -sousespeces-varieties or forms not necessarily of the standard form and then the rule of the autonym applies when one has infra rank, here grandiflora subsp grandiflora.

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    I have records already for the various species. Also, you don't have to agree, but I'm not changing my stance. It's pretty common usage that if a subspecies or variety name isn't used, then the type form is what is being referred to, and unless I'm making a point that is what I will continue to do. Until I gain another form, my plant will be referred to as P. grandiflora, sensu type form.
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    Bonjour

    you do what you want, but it's as if you remove all the subspecies, variety and form of sarracenia.

    grandiflora subsp grandiflora

    Flowering Ping-grandiflora1-jpg

    grandiflora subsp rosea

    Flowering Ping-31-jpg

    grandiflora subsp grandiflora f pallida

    Flowering Ping-pallida1-jpg

    grandiflora subsp grandiflora f chionopetra

    Flowering Ping-chiono4-jpg

    they are all grandiflora and yet all different

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    No, it is not the same, I am not stripping it of its identity, only not having need of expanding specificity at the moment; once again I repeat: it is not uncommon to refer to the type form of a species as simply that species in general, unless denoting between infraspecific taxa, which I have no need of doing here currently. Additionally, every single subspecies/variety of grandiflora is visibly identifiable at a glance when in bloom so one look at my photos should say quite succinctly for those who want to know which subspecies it is.
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    Bonjour

    I am not stripping it of its identity

    for me yes ,but no matter after all, everyone will have their own idea

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    I finally got ahold of a tried and true P. 'Aphrodite', and hopefully it flowers sooner over later to compare it with this guy...
    P. "Aphrodite Imposter" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And the hot pink hybrid is back in bloom
    P. rotundiflora x hemiepiphytica by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
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    Bonjour

    P.x 'Aphrodite = P.agnata x moctezumae

    and yours ?

    compare also the rosette .

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    Cross is the same. Foliage is nearly identical. I'm not at a loss as to the parentage of the various cultivars I grow or want to grow, that's not the issue; this is information I've known for a long time. What was the problem was a similar plant with the wrong cultivar name, same issue as with 'Sethos,' 'Weser', so on, so forth.
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