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Intersting stuff. I am not sure all mexican pings can be lumped together like this. When I had a P. agnata , I used Peter D'Amato's original mix of perlite/vermiculie with a dash of peat, and it never grew. When "Savage garden" came out and he suggested peat/perlite/sand/vermiculite in equal portions, I changed it to that and it exploded.
I think Leo Song uses peaty mixes, but the bottom third of the pot is straight perlite, which would account for the good drainage.
Regards,
Joe
I think Leo Song uses peaty mixes, but the bottom third of the pot is straight perlite, which would account for the good drainage.
Regards,
Joe
Joe,
You are quite correct, not all Mexi-Pings can be lumped together in this respect. I still grow emarginata and hemiepiphytica in my original mix (a really complex one similar to Pete's) and sharpii I grow in milled LFS. I suspect that plants that do not form succulent rosettes but prefer somewhat better drainage (moctezumae, agnata, etc.) can take either media, like I said above, I am growing one of my agnata in this mix and it is happy and the moctezumae are weeds in it.
You are quite correct, not all Mexi-Pings can be lumped together in this respect. I still grow emarginata and hemiepiphytica in my original mix (a really complex one similar to Pete's) and sharpii I grow in milled LFS. I suspect that plants that do not form succulent rosettes but prefer somewhat better drainage (moctezumae, agnata, etc.) can take either media, like I said above, I am growing one of my agnata in this mix and it is happy and the moctezumae are weeds in it.
Hi Joe,
You are correct that Leo Song regularly uses peat in the soil mix for his Pinguiculas. Some photos of his Pinguicula can be found on Wickedthistle's site: CSUF photos
Some of the giganteas were 8 or 9in. They are growing next to 4in square pots.
Larry's site also contains excellent pictures: 4.14.2003 LACPS meeting at CSUF
Also, be sure to check out Leo's gigantic P.'Titan' on Eric Partrat's page: Pinguicula agnata from "A World of Pinguicula"
These were grown in a peat based mix. The plants seem to be growing quite well. This plant really lives up to its name.
In my opinion, some sp of Mexican will really benefit from the coral mix, while others will grow well on a peat based mix with good drainage.
You are correct that Leo Song regularly uses peat in the soil mix for his Pinguiculas. Some photos of his Pinguicula can be found on Wickedthistle's site: CSUF photos
Some of the giganteas were 8 or 9in. They are growing next to 4in square pots.
Larry's site also contains excellent pictures: 4.14.2003 LACPS meeting at CSUF
Also, be sure to check out Leo's gigantic P.'Titan' on Eric Partrat's page: Pinguicula agnata from "A World of Pinguicula"
These were grown in a peat based mix. The plants seem to be growing quite well. This plant really lives up to its name.
In my opinion, some sp of Mexican will really benefit from the coral mix, while others will grow well on a peat based mix with good drainage.
I would like to say that what is the coral crushed used.
I have check around my house (in France) what is crushed Coral sold for sea fishes aquarium.
Most of the time, it is in fact "Maerl".
Maerl is a collective term for several species of calcified red seaweed. It grows as unattached nodules on the seabed, and can form extensive beds in favourable conditions. Maerl is slow-growing, but over long periods its dead calcareous skeleton can accumulate into deep deposits (an important habitat in its own right), overlain by a thin layer of pink, living maerl.
It is very rich (in its components) in Calcium (Ca), Magnesium (Mg), Iron (Fe) and few trace elements.
Mg is an important part of Chlorophyllum (word ?)
Iron (Fe) is important for the photosynthesum with (N)
Ca is also important for the growth of the plant...
On the otherhand, you can also find true crushed coral (I thought it was prohibited) that is "pure" Calcium carbonate. Too much Calcium may leed to the plants "Sarracenia0" noted.
"Pyro" may use Maerl in fact mixed with other components and give a suitable mix full of all nutrients for his plants. My question is also how long will this fast growth last ? Few month, one year ?. How will it old ?
Many experiments interested to do "Pyro"...
This is some ideas to discuss...
I have check around my house (in France) what is crushed Coral sold for sea fishes aquarium.
Most of the time, it is in fact "Maerl".
Maerl is a collective term for several species of calcified red seaweed. It grows as unattached nodules on the seabed, and can form extensive beds in favourable conditions. Maerl is slow-growing, but over long periods its dead calcareous skeleton can accumulate into deep deposits (an important habitat in its own right), overlain by a thin layer of pink, living maerl.
It is very rich (in its components) in Calcium (Ca), Magnesium (Mg), Iron (Fe) and few trace elements.
Mg is an important part of Chlorophyllum (word ?)
Iron (Fe) is important for the photosynthesum with (N)
Ca is also important for the growth of the plant...
On the otherhand, you can also find true crushed coral (I thought it was prohibited) that is "pure" Calcium carbonate. Too much Calcium may leed to the plants "Sarracenia0" noted.
"Pyro" may use Maerl in fact mixed with other components and give a suitable mix full of all nutrients for his plants. My question is also how long will this fast growth last ? Few month, one year ?. How will it old ?
Many experiments interested to do "Pyro"...
This is some ideas to discuss...
[b said:
Oh, those that we get here comes in various sizes and range from 0.5 mm to 16 mm in diameter. I find those in the 0.5 mm - 2 mm size range quite suitable. Water also flows very well through this medium and offers alot of aeration for the roots. I think the stock here comes from Australia.
I am seeing great results, as soon as my life mellows a bit I will be sending some pics to a kind sould who has offered me a bit of webspace and try to show some comparison pics. With out pics thou I can tell you that growth is increased and size is up on almost all my plants.
I would like to point out that I am growing under conditions very different from PingMan's and as such the open media I am using might not be best for an indoor type setup.
I would like to point out that I am growing under conditions very different from PingMan's and as such the open media I am using might not be best for an indoor type setup.
Okay, I finally got around to getting those pics taken and Joseph has been nice enought to offer me some space so here are some pisc for you all:
These are the plants in my old media
Yucca Do 1716
Yucca Do 1718
gigantea "alba" x moctezumae
laueana CP2 x moctezumae
Now these same plants after transfering into the coral based media (note that these plants are in the same pots before and after):
Yucca Do 1716
Yucca Do 1718
gigantea "alba" x moctezumae
laueana CP2 x moctezumae
The obvious difference is the increase in size but the less obvious things are that the roots are thicker and more prominent, the leaves last longer, colour is better and the plants seem to flower more freely
These are the plants in my old media
Yucca Do 1716
Yucca Do 1718
gigantea "alba" x moctezumae
laueana CP2 x moctezumae
Now these same plants after transfering into the coral based media (note that these plants are in the same pots before and after):
Yucca Do 1716
Yucca Do 1718
gigantea "alba" x moctezumae
laueana CP2 x moctezumae
The obvious difference is the increase in size but the less obvious things are that the roots are thicker and more prominent, the leaves last longer, colour is better and the plants seem to flower more freely
I had planted an esseriana in peat, but inside a mussel shell. In another post I was raving about how it stank and molded the outside of the shell, but I never did transplant it out. Now it's been 2 or 3 months, and the plantlet is twice the size of its twin that is planted in just peat and plastic pot.
Next time though, I'm going to hammer the shell into bits and mix that with the media.
Next time though, I'm going to hammer the shell into bits and mix that with the media.
So wait... Mexican pings like basic soils? I wonder if that is the problem with mine... sphagnum moved in with right after I got it so maybe it is unhappy and has indigestion, lol do you think it needs a tums? LOL
... >_< not to sound horrid or anything, but I won't be able to sleep if I don't say something. Isn't is a little icky to be using coral as an additive when those animals are being decimated by people collecting it for such uses? I mean, here we are trying to grow plants who have been decimated in the wild from people destroying there homes... with the destroyed homes of other creatures I vote shell and diatom fossils... ooo I bet they would like un sifted lake MI sand now that it has all that zebra muscle shell in it... I'll have to get some this summer.
I wonder if that is the problem with mine... sphagnum moved in with right after I got it so maybe it is unhappy and has indigestion, lol do you think it needs a tums? LOL... >_< not to sound horrid or anything, but I won't be able to sleep if I don't say something. Isn't is a little icky to be using coral as an additive when those animals are being decimated by people collecting it for such uses? I mean, here we are trying to grow plants who have been decimated in the wild from people destroying there homes... with the destroyed homes of other creatures
I vote shell and diatom fossils... ooo I bet they would like un sifted lake MI sand now that it has all that zebra muscle shell in it... I'll have to get some this summer.
I don't think it is necessary that the soil be basic but I do believe they benefit from a portion of calcium. I think the real goal more than anything is that the media be very very open, perlite or zeolite or clay pellets or LWA robably work as an alternative too if your media was 70-80% made of them and then some organic material as binder[b said:Quote[/b] (Darcie @ Jan. 08 2004,16:42)]So wait... Mexican pings like basic soils?
As for your argument about destroying coral populations, I don't think the stuff I am using is really coral as it looks to be just a bunch of crushed shells. Of course I could be wrong.
