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    Major red flags are if the seller will not or cannot supply certificates or tells you not certificates or permits are required.

    If you are importing seeds or plants to the US without the proper permits, certificates and quarantine inspection then you are doing so illegally and unethically.

    Snicker at me as you might for saying so, but you could end up learning the hard way as a (former) TF member did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post
    Snicker at me as you might for saying so, but you could end up learning the hard way as a (former) TF member did.
    Specifically: https://www.portlandmercury.com/feat...140283/planted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post
    Snicker at me as you might for saying so, but you could end up learning the hard way as a (former) TF member did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    Two things I should point out here:

    Firstly most of that article is completely inaccurate. The author wrote it based entirely on a court affidavit (being unable to obtain any more reliable information,) which in itself was full of inaccuracies since the investigating agents really did not understand the matter they were investigating, and does not represent the actual charges filed in the court case.

    Secondly, the illegal importation was not even his fault. The entire ordeal was over a single plant, which he was importing from a seller apparently recommended by other experienced growers in the US, with the understanding that proper paperwork would be included, and the seller did not provide. Apparently the government doesn't care, it's always the receiver's fault. I've personally talked to people who have gotten angry phone calls from inspection stations because nurseries accidentally included an extra plant in a box not listed on the phyto, threatening fines if it happened again in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimbulan View Post
    Two things I should point out here:

    Firstly most of that article is completely inaccurate. The author wrote it based entirely on a court affidavit (being unable to obtain any more reliable information,) which in itself was full of inaccuracies since the investigating agents really did not understand the matter they were investigating, and does not represent the actual charges filed in the court case.

    Secondly, the illegal importation was not even his fault. The entire ordeal was over a single plant, which he was importing from a seller apparently recommended by other experienced growers in the US, with the understanding that proper paperwork would be included, and the seller did not provide. Apparently the government doesn't care, it's always the receiver's fault. I've personally talked to people who have gotten angry phone calls from inspection stations because nurseries accidentally included an extra plant in a box not listed on the phyto, threatening fines if it happened again in the future.
    All true, but this is still a cautionary tale that everyone here should heed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    All true, but this is still a cautionary tale that everyone here should heed.
    Most certainly. I wouldn't ever consider importing plants from anywhere but an established nursery.

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    I have bought lots of seeds from this person in the past, and very sadly I noticed that he has clearly fudged the harvest date on the current eBay listings by about 4 months. How do I know this? There are dozens of species listed from across five different islands, and nothing changed about the listings except for the harvest date. There is no chance that exactly all of the same species previously listed were harvested, and then up-stocked into their inventory, all within the same week, without any additions, or out of stock items (!). (spoiler alert, I think they're all fake)

    Regarding the wild origins of the seeds... The owner openly admits that the the seeds are wild in the yescarnivorousfarm FB group. There was a big announcement when eBay updated their policies to exclude wild seeds, that they would still be wild, just secretly. The real crime here is that Ebay allows this to continue... I personally know a few different prominent figures in this field, who regularly call eBay and complain about the guy. These are the same people who got the Ebay policy changed in the first place. His store has been dissolved and remade several times, why Ebay can't get a clue, I don't know.

    I don't have any screenshots of this but anyone who has been watching the listings should be able to deduce what is really going on. I'm now wondering if any of the seeds at all were genuine. I think they're all just ventratas! Only a very small fraction of people have grown difficult highlanders from seed - it's very very hard to do even for experts. And if you did get the edwardsiana to a size where you'd know that it's genuine, it would be at least 2 years later (probably closer to 4)and too late to do anything about it if it weren't. And truly, of the hundreds of people who buy the seeds, only a very tiny fraction of them will make it at all (and it won't be the edwardsiana just be real).

    If you do decide to try and grow something like this, it needs to be from a very trusted source, and not someone without respect for the impact of seed collection on wild populations. And if you aren't sowing them in-vitro, you don't have a chance with these slow-growing highlanders - get real. To play devils advocate, it isn't really the people reading this thread that we need to worry about, it's the internet randos who have never even grown a tomato before. Even though the people reading this will probably also kill them, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the waves of uninformed consumers that we never see. And to further play devils advocate, selling seeds does serve to commoditize having living, mature plants in the wild, which is a big improvement from poached plants being the only way the people who live in these environments can benefit from them.

    Before you go accosting me for stirring the pot, I have only logged in here a few times before, and may never again, and probably will not see any replies. Thanks it's just food for thought ok.
    Last edited by inserthumor; 05-27-2019 at 12:40 PM. Reason: tomatoes are actually impossible to grow well in Texas

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