[b said:Quote[/b] ]i dont know if anyone knows but i wasnt born here in the US. im not even a citizen, just a perm. res.
*highfive* We need to start an immigrants of TF club.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]i dont know if anyone knows but i wasnt born here in the US. im not even a citizen, just a perm. res.
Yes, but they were the first humans to populate the land, and didn't displace an existing human population.[b said:Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ May 02 2006,3:06)]the "native americans" came from Asia originally and are also immigrants.
heh. And we STILL owe you a butt-kicking for that.[b said:Quote[/b] (Mokele @ May 02 2006,6:30)]and us burning down Washington DC,
Then a competent lawyer should be able to get him a fat settlement from the company in question. Not to mention the incredibly negative publicity they would get when the laid off american workers go to the media about the story.[b said:Quote[/b] (Dr. Frank Lyons @ May 02 2006,7:30)]I had a petient at a car manufacturing plnat tell methat they were forced to trained illegals and then were laid off because the company could pay the illegals less.
If we do that, we'd better build the barrier BEFORE we deport them... >;-D[b said:Quote[/b] (Tropics @ May 02 2006,8:13)]Does anyone who wants to deport all illegal immigrants and build a secure barrier between the U.S. and Mexico have an estimate of the costs involved?
I disagree.[b said:Quote[/b] (Outsiders71 @ May 03 2006,12:58)]Afterall there is no official language of the U.S. and to say that they have to learn english is just saying that you're too lazy to learn a 2nd language yourself.
I think, if practical, that would be a good idea. I seem to recall hearing that Mexico was, in fact, ENCOURAGING its citizens to cross illegally.[b said:Quote[/b] (Outsiders71 @ May 03 2006,12:58)]Just my $.02. Somehow Mexico needs to be burdened for their citizens crossing the border. Right now the gov't could careless, if they were being fined left and right I'm sure they would help us create a more solid border.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Instead of saying that they should learn and be able to speak clear english, we should be looking at the employers and saying: You shouldn't hire people who can't speak english.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Yes, but they were the first humans to populate the land, and didn't displace an existing human population.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]True, there's no official language, but i feel the onus is on the guest to learn the prevailing language of the land.
[b said:Quote[/b] (SarraceniaScott @ May 04 2006,1:32)]it will NEVER be as rich as here in the US no matter how many immigrants cross.It is in its own interest to do so... as their people work here, and send the money back home, it only enriches the Mexican economy.
your point, they moved cause they were being displaced they just happened to find a chunck of fresh real estate before every one else just like anywhere else in the world.[b said:Quote[/b] (SarraceniaScott @ May 03 2006,2:03)]Yes, but they were the first humans to populate the land, and didn't displace an existing human population.[b said:Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ May 02 2006,3:06)]the "native americans" came from Asia originally and are also immigrants.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]If we see a huge hypothetical surge of immigration from Quebec, should we all be forced to learn French too?
I agree completely. Immigrants should speak the main language of the country they are in.[b said:Quote[/b] (Mokele @ May 03 2006,10:29)]But if you take that to the logical conclusion, everyone should be fluent in English, Spanish, French, Chinese (at least Mandarin and Cantonese), Gaelic, German, Norwegian, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, Hindi, Italian, and Dutch, since speakers of all of those have come over here in decent numbers. And many more. It gets ridiculous, and any cutoff mark for what to learn is entirely abritrary. You can't learn all languages.
To me, it makes much, much more sense to simply speak the local predominant language. When in Rome, do as the romans. That means when in a foreign country, have the decency to bring a phrasebook at the very least. And when moving, learn the language. If I were moving to Borneo (I wish), I'd learn the local language, not expect everyone to learn mine.
Mokele
[b said:Quote[/b] (fc3srx713b @ May 03 2006,5:32)]True, the first thing Mexico needs to do is wipe out its culture of corruption.[b said:Quote[/b] (SarraceniaScott @ May 04 2006,1:32)]it will NEVER be as rich as here in the US no matter how many immigrants cross.It is in its own interest to do so... as their people work here, and send the money back home, it only enriches the Mexican economy.
Not to say there's no corruption here (*ahem* Enron), but it is generally vigorously prosecuted when it is discovered here, and is at a level low enough that it doesn't seriously stunt the economy. In Mexico, it's a kleptocracy. They will never make their economic pie higher (heh heh... thanks, Bush, for that phrase) unless they can weed out the corruption.
20,000 years ago, they were not likely being displaced by another human population. They were migrant tribes, following game.[b said:Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ May 03 2006,7:50)]your point, they moved cause they were being displaced they just happened to find a chunck of fresh real estate before every one else just like anywhere else in the world.[b said:Quote[/b] (SarraceniaScott @ May 03 2006,2:03)]Yes, but they were the first humans to populate the land, and didn't displace an existing human population.[b said:Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ May 02 2006,3:06)]the "native americans" came from Asia originally and are also immigrants.