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Would you vote for Obama in 08

JB_OrchidGuy

Cardiac Nurse
As many of you know from reading my posts I am to the right side of politics.  I like much of what the republicans stand for.  Not all mind you, but alot.  I have not like recent democrats running for president.  I despised Clinton, Gore, and Kerry.  Granted Bush was probably not much better than those, but to me he was the lesser of the two evils.  That is another thread though.

So my question for the people here is, would you vote for Obama if he ran for office?

Personaly I would vote for Obama if he ran.  He seems like he has common sence for everyone and not just a certain segment of the population.  Unlike other Dems who, to me, focus on the poor and bringing down big corperations, and the republicans who seem to only focus on the uber rich, Obama seems like he is for every American.  I could see myself voting in the country's first black President.  That would be the only way the dems would get my vote is by convincing him to run for office.  Since if they have Hillary running they are garenteed not to get my vote.  I don't trust her as far as I can through her.  No offense ladies, but I am not ready to have a hormonal witch in office yet.  She may be able to lead her husband Bill around and rule the roost there, but I don't think she would make a good president.
 
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It's funny how he appeared out of nowhere and seems to have gathered the spotlight. His stand on issues ? He is very likeable and speaks well for a political figure. I'd like to see a track record before turning over the country to him though. At least this might take our mind of the Govenors race here... That's a whole other thread as well.
 
I wouldn't. Even if I really liked the guy (actually I don't know enough about him to make an educated decision), I live in Texas now. Voting for a democrat here is as good as literally throwing your vote in the trashcan.
 
Well I am a republican myself, but every vote counts though and you maybe surprised. So far he is a junior senitor and has not had time to realy make any stances yet. He hasn't even finished his first term. I read an article on him on the internet written by a writer from Time magazine. He seems willing to see the other side if issues. Most folks today just want to see one side of the issue. I like the guy. To me he speaks whatis on his mind even if it means offending some of his supporters. I am ready for a change and I think if he was an option I would give him a shot. He might be the guy who puts term limits ont he congresspeople. Who knows. He has said he wouldn;t run, but now it seems he might. Still no definate answer we shall see. He cannot be no worse than Clinton or Bush. Considering all the power is in congress and those old farts.
 
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Quote[/b] ]I wouldn't. Even if I really liked the guy (actually I don't know enough about him to make an educated decision), I live in Texas now. Voting for a democrat here is as good as literally throwing your vote in the trashcan.

It's too bad that so many people think this way - one of the down falls of the electoral college system. It had its time, but now that we have the technology we really should go to popular vote. But that's another thread (is there and echo in here?).

I know nothing about this guy, so I can't really say.

What I'm waiting for is someone who runs and tells the truth - something along the lines of "yeah, I did <xyz> when I was younger - if you don't like that, don't vote for me."
 
Went to his website and it didn't cover the issues I care about most such as gay marriage and medical procedure. I don't like his opinions on immigration.

I'll be voting next election and it looks like i'm going to vote for HC.
 
IM tierd of the people saying this person did this and this wrong, instead of saying what they are running for what they want to make better it pisses the hell out of me so when I vote (state and presidential) I plan on voting for the guy who acutaly presents his stuff and doesnt just say Hey I did this right he did that wrong..

stupid crap... every one should vote even if they dont think their vote will count.
 
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I like the Arizona idea. Everyone who votes gets there name put in a pot for 1 million bucks. It's sad that you need to be basically bribed to vote, but hey, whatcha gonna do?
 
  • #11
The only politician that is getting my vote is one that acknowledges the benifits of science, especially the biological sciences. I am so sick and tired of living in the 21st century but feeling like we are in the days of Galileo and the Church.
 
  • #12
I will only vote for candidates that oppose the Iraq war, and favors the restoration of Constitutional principles like Habeus Corpus, Free Speech, Search and Seizure rights, and Seperatoin of Church and State. The must also favor and promote open and transparent government, and hold corrupt politicians accountable. And most of all, I favor candidates who will work to remove the influence of corporate money in American politics.

It is my opinion that the current administration is an international embarassment. I don't like political parties at all, and given my preference, we'd have multiple parties and a parliamentary system of proportional representation.

Barak Obama seems like a reasonable fellow. He's smart as a tack, can speak without a script (wouldn't that be nice for a change?) and is quick on his feet. I'm not sure that he's figured out his full political message yet, and agree with a previous poster that he could use a bit more seasoning. Still, we don't get to vote for whoever we want, we get to vote for who gets on the ballot. And given the alternatives, chances are very good he'd get my vote.

Capslock
 
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Amen Pyro and Capslock!
 
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[b said:
Quote[/b] ]I like the Arizona idea. Everyone who votes gets there name put in a pot for 1 million bucks. It's sad that you need to be basically bribed to vote, but hey, whatcha gonna do?

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Wait... Rhetorical, dang...

Let me tell you though, I've got a GREAT idea involving bears.
 
  • #15
No, I really do like that idea.

Stop spreading the Bear Agenda. They are taking over the country! Infiltrating out caves and mountain streams. One already took out a Salmon hatchery. Where does the madness end?
 
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Quote[/b] (JustLikeAPill @ Oct. 19 2006,12:51)]I like the Arizona idea. Everyone who votes gets there name put  in a pot for 1 million bucks. It's sad that you need to be basically bribed to vote, but hey, whatcha gonna do?
That's sad actually! I don't think it's fair to bribe but whatever. Maybe adnedarn and anyone else who lives in Arizona and votes for him will win
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  • #17
I'm still for the electoral college, exactly for the reason it was put there in the first place. Yeah I know there are corrupt politicians, yadda yadda, but the general populace is way too stupid (for lack of better term) to rule itself. Scientists, doctors, etc, people that I would like to run the society I live in, represent the top 1% or so of the nation in brainpower, with many 100s of millions falling very, very, very far behind. Do you really want other people to choose your leaders by popular vote, when, in spite of MOUNDS of evidence they still believe in the "balance of nature" hypothesis and creationism?
 
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Quote[/b] ]I'm still for the electoral college, exactly for the reason it was put there in the first place. Yeah I know there are corrupt politicians, yadda yadda, but the general populace is way too stupid (for lack of better term) to rule itself. Scientists, doctors, etc, people that I would like to run the society I live in, represent the top 1% or so of the nation in brainpower, with many 100s of millions falling very, very, very far behind. Do you really want other people to choose your leaders by popular vote, when, in spite of MOUNDS of evidence they still believe in the "balance of nature" hypothesis and creationism?

Wooh! Good thing we don't live in a nation where the government is of the people, for the people, and by the people. Think of what a catastrophe that would be!
 
  • #19
Yes, yes, oh god yes.

He and Mark Warner are my poltical heroes
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Sadly, the latter has ruled out running in 08
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  • #20
[b said:
Quote[/b] (schloaty @ Oct. 19 2006,9:13)]What I'm waiting for is someone who runs and tells the truth - something along the lines of "yeah, I did <xyz> when I was younger - if you don't like that, don't vote for me."
Well, according to the time article I read last night Obama does talk about some of the bad things he did in the past such as Cocaine IIRC. The catch is they are in his book, but not to hard for a smear campaign to find. It is in the public eye. He also gives his life history how his parents divorced and he lived with his grandparents in Hawaii.  How he once sat in on a socialist meeting and some other things.

I have to admit that I have not read everything he stands for, but someone put that you don't get to vote for who you want really since if your write in a candidate that is as good as tossing your vote into the "trashcan" literally.  I say I would vote for him IF he ran, but it would really depend on who the other party and independents pull out to run.  I really would like to see a true multi-party system and term limits for congress people.

Phissionkorps actually has a point if you thing about it.  The American populace is too emotionally charged.  They vote on feelings and not on issues really.  You may not, but crackhead Jackie who gets paid 20 bucks to go vote does.  Or the welfare 18 y/o who doesn't have a TV goes down to vote, but has no clue what issues the candidate is running on.  I have to admit I have gone down and voted just to vote not having a clue what the people stood for.  I have done this on local elections.  So when you have say government for the people by the people you cannot just apply that to voting you have to apply that to your senators too and have them do your bidding when in office.  To me that is lacking.

I heard something last night that just came to me and dawned on me.  President Bush said last night you cannot always make decisions on opinion polls.  Sometimes you have to do what is right.  Now you can take this in two ways.  Either you can see it as he is ruling and not doing what the people wants, or you can look at it as he is making an informed decision based on knowing all the information.  Based on information the public does not know!!!  I may not like everything that goes on in the Whitehorse, but I also realize I do not have all the info too.  Some of you may find yourself doing the same thing had you had all the facts.  Remember not everything comes out in the media and they sure do not share all the info they have.  So you have to put some power into their hands and not everything can be for the people by the people since the people are not always up to speed on all the info going on around the world.

Est I feel your pain, but you obviously have not come face to face with someone that has the IQ smaller than a rock.  The sad thing is that there are more people with the IQ of -2 then there are people with high IQ's.  Most people here on the board have a decent IQ.  They can get on line and do things they need to do, but there are some folks who this is even a challenge.  Education is getting better, but you still have a slew of dopes around too.  Most people of some intelligence do not associate with them, but they are there.

Pyro I agree with you, but until someone of that caliber decides to run then its kinda hard to put on in office.  I agree we need to live in the 21 century and not the dark ages.  Stem cell research should be used.  Genetically getting rid of diseases needs to be studied.  Science is the way of the future.  We have explanations for things now that we didn't in the future and we do not have to rely on saying God did that.
 
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