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    I'm not sure why someone would want to spend thousands of dollars just to go kill something...surely it could be done cheaper and closer.

    I'm not against hunting. Hunters are conservationists, IMO. License fees from hunters around the world benefit conservation efforts. But to say hunting is not about the killing is something that makes me angry with hunters who say that. Of course it's about killing. Why else would some of them shoot barn cats or horses or cattle during deer or turkey season? None of those things look like deer or turkeys. Within 100 yards of a house?

    Hunters should just ball up and admit they enjoy killing things. Otherwise, they'd just take a camera.

    Aren't greater Kudu an endangered species?
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    Maybe if a camera were louder and kicked a little more . . .

    As for going around the world to hunt, some people go trekking in the Himalayas instead of walking around their neighborhood. Others go on a cruise instead of lying on a chair and pigging out at home. Rattler wants to go hunting in Africa instead of, say, coming here to take care of my squirrel problem. I'm kind of anti-travel, but plenty of people go long distances for all kinds of reasons.

    By the way, it's good to see you back April.
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    thanks, herenorthere. That orchid you sent me is still happily alive, BTW. It is a paph. niveum. I was dealing with "family drama", LOL! Mom not going quietly into that great night. Not that she should. She's in pain 24-7...and makes sure everyone around her feels it, too. She's senile, going blind, and only very reluctantly and recently given up her driver's license. I feel so bad for her. I've been trying to get her appropriate health care, and not the standard FL senior citizen drive-by version.

    I'm not anti-travel, at all. I just don't emotionally understand the concept of seeing all this wonderful wildlife...then wanting to kill it. After you've killed it, then what? You have some nice throw pillows?

    Intellectually, I totally understand what and why Rattler wants to do what he wants to do...emotionally it's a bit of a problem. For me. But Godspeed to Rattler. I just hope he gets "skunked" in Africa, LOL~
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    not sure if i can properly explain myself to yah April but ill try(BTW sorry to hear bout your personal problems, my wife went through similar not that long ago with her grandmother) also greater kudu are not in anyway endangered, infact they still currently have one of the largest ranges of any of the antelopes.

    i was and am quite serious when i said hunting for me isnt about killing something. if i wanted to just go out and kill something i could have filled up a pickup bed full of deer legally(could have purchased 8 deer tags this year) instead i purchased my usual 2 and i didnt shoot anything. why didnt i shoot anything? i dont rightly know, could have shot a doe at several points and filled my antlerless tag but i didnt. didnt fill my A tag cause i didnt run across a buck i felt like shooting.

    why do i want to go to Africa and hunt. well ive been reading about African hunting for aslong as i could read. i want the experiance. if i just wanted to kill some african critters i could pay less to shoot some old zoo animals in a small pen in Texas. if i just wanted to hunt in africa i could do much the same thing on the Eastern Cape of South Africa, heck i could even shoot a tiger. but im not interested in doing that. instead im going to pay more and hunt in Zimbabwe and will be hunting in much the same country ive been reading about for over 20 years. the real Africa where lions wander through camp and the occational scamble from an irrate mother elephant who thinks we are a threat to her calf are very real possibilities.......its not so much the killing of a critter, its the experiance, the adventure doing so represents..........the very real chance that i will not come back without a scratch......

    i realize you will not fully understand this April(or Alexis or Sean for that matter) but there are ppl on here who do understand exactly what i am talking about and until you take up hunting and go through the experiance yourself i highly doubt any of it will make any sence to you. some of your examples April, are from the type of hunters i refuse to deal with. there is a very good reason why the list of ppl i hunt with is very short, number one rule on my list is alcohol isnt touched till we are back at the cabin and have everything put away. unfortunatly some of my good friends do not believe this which is why i do the vast majority of my hunting with my wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]there is a very good reason why the list of ppl i hunt with is very short,
    Is this so they won't have to duck down when you take a shot?

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    Would you say you were an empathic person?

    I just can't get my head around the lack of empathy for killing a bigger version of a domestic cat...

    Sure, lions have no concept of what killing actually is - they do it automatically because they were made that way.

    On one hand, we say we're higher beings and have the right to control things, but on the other hand why do some us find killing acceptable and fun, and others are appalled?

    Serial killers are often described as lacking empathy and remorse in the same way predatory animals do. I just can't see much difference between a serial killer and someone who kills higher mammals.

    Where does it become unacceptable? What are you views on killing gorillas, orang utangs and chimpanzees?

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    It's not a bigger version of a domestic cat.. It's a lion... That's like saying an ostrich is a bigger version of a domestic finch.. not quite the same to me. I totally agree that I personally would NEVER kill a lion, or a deer, or a bear or even a chipmunk. I wouldn't be happy afterwards. I'd feel horrible and lie in bed depressed all day and probably cry for that animal. BUT I'm going to take rattlers side here because it's his right and he doesn't go out and kill everything just to be killing. If he enjoys it, let him do it. That's pretty much my motto. If it feels good, do it as long as you'r not hurting another citizen.

    I think comparing a hunter (rattler... and my father for that matter) to a serial killer is a bit much, don't you? I do think it's kind of creepy to mount animals though.. We have a full standing bear in our living room. That took some getting used to lol

    I think we can all agree that killing other primates is a no-no. Perhaps it's because we are so closely related. Are we related to lions? Yes, but not so much as primates. Perhaps it's because they are SO smart. Same with dolphins. Who could kill a dolphin? A monster. Perhaps i'm a hypocrite for saying "Well, you can kill a deer or a lion but not a dolphin or an ape because they are so cute and smart!"

    I think I read somewhere that often the hunter will just take the head of an elephant and leave the body for the starving locals to eat. As much as I love elephants, I think starving kenyans or whatever are more important. I bet elephant meat is hard... lol

    Reminds me of a comedian doing an impression of a Peta activist. It went something like "Oh no! There's a dolphin stuck in a net! We'll help you! GET OUT OF HERE YOU STUPID TUNA!!!!"

    I think some people have a steriotype of hunters as Jimbo and Ned from southpark. Stupid, kill everything that moves hunters and leaving them there. Even with the most redneckiest redneck i've met, that's never been the case (and I really... REALLY dislike rednecks so me sticking up for them just a tiny little bit says a LOT)

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    Alexis, on this i can only answer for myself, but as to what is unacceptible? very simple, cold blooded killing of ppl and the wanton killing of animals just for the sake of killing. i have zero problems with the idea of killing the large apes, however i dont believe it should happen because they are criticly endangered.

    i do feel remorseful over the killing of an animal.........and i realize for you thats going to be hard to understand as to why i still do it and im not sure i can even fully explain it, especially to someone who has zero interest in hunting. i kill feral cats without thinking twice about it but have no interest shooting someones pet tabby(other than the couple trying to use my bird feeder as a buffet). i kill every mouse that enters my house but have spent hours quietly watching wild deer mice in the fields behind my house, just enjoying the heck out of watching do what they do naturally without a second thought to killing them though i knew full well they were likely to wind up in the house at some point.

    as for me shooting what you call "over grown house cat", doubt you could ever understand it. in all actuality they are nothing but a wild, over grown house cat. much more so than any of their kin. they do not actually fear man, they have no problems making a meal out of him if the chance comes and hunting them either by bait and blind or with hounds still has the vast majority of the favor on the side of the leopard. if you dont believe this i invite you to come with me, you pay your airfare and the observer daily rates and you are more than welcome to tag along with me if you wish. but i do warn you facing hippos on land and leopard on foot after hounds is not for the faint of heart and would assume after the first encounter you will be wanting a rifle in your hands as well.
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