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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    yeah i know of a number of ppl who have done so.....as i said i know it works on small sacle such as a single house.....have my doubts on working large scale, atleast not without giving up lots of land devoted to solar arrays at which point i would rather have a nuclear power plant......tons more energy produced in a much smaller area
    The major problem with switching from current energies to alternative energies is that it gets rid of the corporations. Once you invest in the technology and pay the steep upfront costs, the energy is virtually free. Think about it. If you lined your rooftop with solar-paneled shingles, you could easily power your house for nothing once you bought the shingles and the batteries. Another problem is how can you force everyone to install solar panels?

    The problem is we're at the mercy of corporate greed. Do you think they have any interest in allowing technologies that would produce free energy at the cost of the equipment? It's the same thing with the oil companies. They have no interest in solar powered or electric cars, because they lose out on the billions of dollars in profit. So we have these little technology companies being bottlenecked by these big corporate energy companies that are holding hands with the government (who also will lose money). As finch said we cannot belittle the gains we are making and we need to spread awareness of what's currently out there. I bet most people don't even know they could buy a wind turbine for their backyard if they wanted to. Sure it's expensive but the technologies are making their way to the consumer.
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    yeah but solar energy to power a single house is easily do able even with the tech from a couple years ago, and was being manufactured at prices not to far out of line.....when i priced it about a year ago i think it was about $17,000 to outfit my house but cant remember if that included the batteries for storage. granted my i couldnt afford to do it as i just got the house and am paying for it but my main concern was how long the panels lasted. they were guaranteed for something like 10 years and thats about when i would be seeing a return on the investment.....cant wait to see what the future holds for solar for personal use like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    yeah but solar energy to power a single house is easily do able even with the tech from a couple years ago, and was being manufactured at prices not to far out of line.....when i priced it about a year ago i think it was about $17,000 to outfit my house but cant remember if that included the batteries for storage. granted my i couldnt afford to do it as i just got the house and am paying for it but my main concern was how long the panels lasted. they were guaranteed for something like 10 years and thats about when i would be seeing a return on the investment.....cant wait to see what the future holds for solar for personal use like that.
    It can only get better and better! Unless the energy companies send a Terminator from the future to this time to destroy all solar power technologies and the creators of the technology.
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    Hey Rattler,

    Just had a chat with my neighbor. He said it was a 454, and was sometimw between 73 and 75. The paper then (and now) was the Lubbock Avalanche Journal. I'm sure they've got the article in their archives.
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    would like to see a copy of said article
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    The only way to meet growing energy demands with renewable energy is to cover dry lands with much-improved solar cells and put wind turbines everywhere else. Some of the power generated would feed the demand for electricity, but much of it would have to be used to produce hydrogen, which can be stored and distributed. That would require massive electrolysis "refineries", distribution systems, and so on. The only ones with the capital and business model for that are the, umm..., oil companies.
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    I'd like to see it too. I'll try to shoot them an email in the next couple of days, but I am way too busy until the time I retire to sift through 1095 days worth of articles. I don't have the time or patience to do that for the next 45 years
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    check this out:
    http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/...ar-12.17b.html

    I'd like to see it too. I'll try to shoot them an email in the next couple of days, but I am way too busy until the time I retire to sift through 1095 days worth of articles. I don't have the time or patience to do that for the next 45 years
    dont know how they run their place. if it was ours, we charge $50 an hour for research if we do it but the public is welcome to come and search on their own time during our regular business hours for free. i could prolly find it with an hours worth of work. however a call could atleast maybe get a closer date if nothing else.
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