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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsiders71 View Post
    No offense Scot but have you taken any martial arts before? They don't put you in situations where one person has a gun at medium to far away range. There are no martial art styles that use guns...hence why it's stupid to even bring them into the picture. There's only discussion about it because people here assumed he believes that Tai Chi is effective against someone who has a gun, and in all fairness he never said anything about guns. He said martial arts, which does not encompass firearms.
    Then youre going to the wrong place. Military uses m/a against guns. hell our marine corps. has a m/a program that uses armbars, wrist locks, joint locks, sweeps, throws, pressure points (i think? i guess joint locks are in that category?) Brazilian Jujitsu is what they use i think...look around talk to the senseis and shifus (masters/teachers) about street self defense
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    My mom had some of the best doctors in the country and when i suggested tai chi they never laughed. they said it would b good FOR HER BODY AND MIND! And as to tai chi not helping to fight any other disease it does. Better blood flow helps the body fight off disease no? Do you think laughter is useless? why do you think it is people feel better when theyve had a good laugh after being sad? endorphin are sent, blood flow, capillaries relax, muscles do the same
    It's pretty damn hard ot say who the best doctors in the country are. Lots of doctors that are ranked the "best" in their cities/states at least have their entire staff write reviews and send them into the medical association magazines, which of course, patients don't tend to look at. It certainly helps your reputation though to say "AOA ranked me #1 in Texas this year", even if it be an ill-gotten title.
    The benefits you described are once again benefits of any type of exercise. Or it could just be the tai chi after all....I'm sure you know more than an oncologist. Here's a secret for ya: doctors sugar coat things. No one wants to hear "you're a lost cause and you only have a few days left", so doctors tend to tell you something like "try this, do this, blah blah blah, do all you can". Trust me, no doctor in their right mind would ever think, "tai chi! Why didn't I think of that! That's exactly what'll turn the tables in this person's favor in their battle against cancer!". Let's get real here.

    chiropractice also helps colds, fights certain other bodily alments. wheres the drugs in that?
    Lol! Chiropractors are an intermediate between hocus pocus eastern nonsense, and real doctors....but they're wayyy closer to the abracadabra tomfoolery. Chiropractors think they can cure the flu by poking you in a certain spot, or they can adjust your spine into a configuration that will make hepatitis go away. Chiropractors aren't totally useless, but they're pretty ridiculous, and lots of them are downright know-nothing sleazers. I've dealt with lots of them in my day.

    All im saying is do more research before you make comments
    In the nicest possible way, you know absolutely nothing about medicine. I've been around it all my life (lots of family members in many areas of medicine), worked in a doctors office for 7 years, taken a whole hell of a lot of classes about it (mostly on a molecular level except A&P). I could go on and on....
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    regardless of all that, youre mind is closed and therefore until you decide to open it up you cant fully understand healthcare or other things. im not saying i know everything but at least im open minded to others ideas and not being a pompous arrogant... person about things
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractice
    Again with the research...yes im using one source but i can get more if you want
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    Wikipedia is not a reputable source for anything. My parents were chiropractors for years. In fact, my dad still has his license, though he does something else now. I still deal with chiropractors on occasion. I know lots of these people and have dealt with them in person. You OTOH, have wikipedia. LOL.

    youre mind is closed and therefore until you decide to open it up you cant fully understand healthcare or other things
    Hahahahahaha. Man, every time I don't agree with someone's POV, and especially when I decimate it, I'm "closed minded". My knowledge and understanding of the healthcare system is astronomically deep. Did you miss the part about me working in a doctor's office for 7 years?
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    then why shoot down everything i say if youre open minded? and no i didnt miss that part.
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    I think the point that keeps getting missed is that activities (like tai chi) when used in conjunction with medical practice can have better results. I don't have any research or evidence to back up my next example, but I believe that the following conclusions can be made about my hypothetical study outlined hereafter:

    If there is a group of say, heart attack victims, and we prescribed them all different methods of "treatment." Group one is only medication (like vitorin to lower blood cholesterol) and surgery and other medical treatment practices. Group two is only physical activity like regular excercise, tai chi, stretching, walking, etc. Group three is both of the above. Group four is no treatment at all. If each group has 100 people in it I would imagine the highest success of treatment would go in this order (with the lowest success at the bottom):

    No treatment
    Exercise only
    Medical practices only
    Both Exercise and Medical practices

    I think most people would agree with limited concrete knowledge while the degree of difference between each group could be debated. The point is that when used in conjunction with modern medicine tai chi, stretching, walking, etc. can be highly (if not infinitely more) beneficial for the reasons that rattler has stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    no offense but these sound like the benefits of all exercise, not just tai chi.........to say tai chi is better because of these benefits is ignorant cause the same can besaid of all physical exercise, hell i reaped some of those benefits spending 2 8 hour days installing carpet this weekend.
    Additionally, I will echo PAK when she says to keep yourselves in check. Frankly I'm getting tired of seeing all the comments about nobody having research or done any fact checking around here. I'm scared to say that it was snowing earlier in case I haven't checked weather dot com without everyone saying I have no idea what I'm talking about. It's obvious that we all can construct arguments and of course we don't always do a perfect job of conveying our message; alas is the problem with internet discussions.

    My point is this: there is no reason to attack each others "research" or knowledge base in such a negative manner. I think we all can avoid a lot of perceived aggression by more carefully preparing and reviewing our posts. For example:

    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhistAdam View Post
    All im saying is do more research before you make comments.
    I'm pretty sure Adam meant to say "I would like to learn more about the evidence you are talking about because I'm not quite clear how you are basing your comments."

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    Quote Originally Posted by phissionkorps View Post
    In the nicest possible way, you know absolutely nothing about medicine.
    I'm positive what Phission meant to say was "I think there are some key points you are missing about modern medicine that would help me clear up my earlier posts. Let me see if I can explain myself better.

    There was a good discussion about a (in my opinion) terrible author and how he would ridicule readers that constructively critiqued his series. He said (not verbatim but close) if readers didn't understand certain parts of his story than they were stupid. It's not that readers are stupid but rather the author did not do a good enough job telling the story. I think that's a very applicable story in this case.

    I've never closed a thread about tai chi but I guess there is a first time for everything.

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