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Are you out there, Joe?!
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Whats it to ya?
OBAMA: "Every dollar that I've proposed, I've proposed an additional cut, so that it matches."
THE FACTS: The bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates that his programs would add $281 billion to the deficit at the end of his first term. The analysis includes Obama's proposals for saving money.
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OBAMA: "I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent."
THE FACTS: Obama constantly says this. But the independent Tax Policy Center says his plan cuts taxes for 81.3 percent of all households in 2009.
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MCCAIN: "Sen. Obama, as a member of the Illinois state Senate, voted in the Judiciary Committee against a law that would provide immediate medical attention to a child born in a failed abortion. He voted against that."
OBAMA: "If it sounds incredible that I would vote to withhold lifesaving treatment from an infant, that's because it's not true."
THE FACTS: As a state senator, Obama opposed three legislative efforts, in 2001, 2002 and 2003, to give legal protections to any aborted fetus that showed signs of life. The 2003 measure was virtually identical to a bill President Bush signed into law in 2002 — a bill that passed before Obama was in the U.S. Senate, but one that Obama said he would have supported.
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OBAMA: "We can cut the average family's premium by $2,500 a year."
THE FACTS: If that sounds like a straight-ahead promise to lower health insurance premiums, it isn't. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggested cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums
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THE FACTS: The bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates that his programs would add $281 billion to the deficit at the end of his first term. The analysis includes Obama's proposals for saving money.
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OBAMA: "I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent."
THE FACTS: Obama constantly says this. But the independent Tax Policy Center says his plan cuts taxes for 81.3 percent of all households in 2009.
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MCCAIN: "Sen. Obama, as a member of the Illinois state Senate, voted in the Judiciary Committee against a law that would provide immediate medical attention to a child born in a failed abortion. He voted against that."
OBAMA: "If it sounds incredible that I would vote to withhold lifesaving treatment from an infant, that's because it's not true."
THE FACTS: As a state senator, Obama opposed three legislative efforts, in 2001, 2002 and 2003, to give legal protections to any aborted fetus that showed signs of life. The 2003 measure was virtually identical to a bill President Bush signed into law in 2002 — a bill that passed before Obama was in the U.S. Senate, but one that Obama said he would have supported.
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OBAMA: "We can cut the average family's premium by $2,500 a year."
THE FACTS: If that sounds like a straight-ahead promise to lower health insurance premiums, it isn't. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggested cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums
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Say what you like, but I nearly had beer coming out of my nose when McCain explained about his education proposal that would have folks go straight from the military to teaching without needing to deal with any of the pesky qualification exams or certification processes.
I don't care who you are, that's a painful idea.
[The clincher: I wasn't even drinking beer.]
I don't care who you are, that's a painful idea.
[The clincher: I wasn't even drinking beer.]
actually didnt watch more than bout 10 minutes of the debate....pulled the above from an AP fact checking article.....granted i did pick and choose what to post but my main point all along has been compare what they say to what they do given most here clamour bout what the candidates say and pay no attention to what they do.....i have never made a claim that i though McCain was perfect......infact push comes to shove when i enter the voting booth i may still fill in the circle next to Ron Paul...
BTW if someone could tell me bout where(as in amount of time from the start) Obama talked about the 1994 Crime Bill i would like to know so i dont have to listen to an hour and a half of BS i would appreciate it.....
a guy on the very conservative hunting board i frequent summed up my view best tonight: "If these two are the best we can come up with out of 300 million people in this country, we are in for a world of trouble."
BTW if someone could tell me bout where(as in amount of time from the start) Obama talked about the 1994 Crime Bill i would like to know so i dont have to listen to an hour and a half of BS i would appreciate it.....
a guy on the very conservative hunting board i frequent summed up my view best tonight: "If these two are the best we can come up with out of 300 million people in this country, we are in for a world of trouble."
I think it was only mentioned once, as I recall, during the third-ish (?) question when asked about their running mates. I would say thirty to forty minutes? Somewhere around there.
xvart.
No problem. As I recall, it was just mentioned in passing, sort of a drop in with the Violence Against Women's Act. No substance that I remember.
xvart.
Would you like me to post some "tweaked" facts too rattler? Seems like all the GOP has anymore...
funny i just read the factcheck story and they back me up on the points they covered.....they didnt cover a couple of the ones pointed out though.....would really prefer it if these "fact check" type sights picked apart ALL the points instead of picking and choosing which to look into.....
DrWurm
Californian in DC
depending on state law if he doesnt actually own the business he might not have to have one.....i know there is alot of "if, than, else" type of stuff in Montana's codes.....i know ive been able to duck around some of the licenses with the flooring work ive been doing this year but next year ill likely have to file stuff with the state to get exemptions.....i know individuals can work independently under someone elses contractors license and not have one of their own........so depending on the state laws where Joe is at and his arrangement with the current owner he might not need one till he actually buys the place
DrWurm
Californian in DC
seedjar
Let's positive thinking!
Indiana Gardener
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Until this morning I thought Joe the plumber was a catchall term for the average guy. I had no idea he was an actual person they were fighting over! LOL
I like some of McCain's ideas better, but I thought both sides made blunders last night. McCain's was his idea to let people out of the military teach straight away with no qualification checks. Obama's dictator health plan reeks big time (IMHO). Employers would have to offer the kind of insurance that he says and offer it the way he says. Give me a break. Who does he think he is, this is still a free country... sort of.
I like some of McCain's ideas better, but I thought both sides made blunders last night. McCain's was his idea to let people out of the military teach straight away with no qualification checks. Obama's dictator health plan reeks big time (IMHO). Employers would have to offer the kind of insurance that he says and offer it the way he says. Give me a break. Who does he think he is, this is still a free country... sort of.
