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Palin Running For President

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  • #21
That's not a puppy! And he only kicked it in self-defense, that's his constitutional right!
~Joe

I agree. Also, the puppy in question has not provided the AKC papers PROVING that she was born in America. Really, we should ignore all other issues and focus on whether the puppy has a legitimate right to be in this country.
 
  • #22
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That's "Joe the puppy," who was taken to an Obama rally recently and licked Obama's cheek. McCain says that Obama would take some of "Joe the puppy's" puppy chow -- a portion of the amount left over after Joe was finished eating -- and redistribute it to puppies without any food. According to McCain, that makes Obama a socialist. McCain doesn't tell us that in doing so Obama would merely be repealing the tax break for rich puppies. McCain forgets that he voted against this very tax break when it was originally proposed. Despite this contradiction, "Joe the puppy" becomes so popular that Palin introduces us to "Ed the kitty," who is from a pro-America section of the country and who. Palin says that the embarassingly cute "Ed the kitty" would become another victim of Obama's unpatriotic unAmerican terrorist socialist policies.
 
  • #23
Ahem,

It's really quite simple. If someone disagrees with Obama or doesn't support Obama, they're racist, at least in the liberal viewpoint. If Obama loses the election, it will also be because of race/racism NOT because of his substance or positions.
There is a big difference between blatant racism and simply disagreeing with someones ideas. The "Obama Bucks", is an obvious racist depiction. Putting a noose on a effigy of Obama with a star of David (I thought he was supposed to be muslim not a jew...but whatever). Those among other things are racist stereotypes if you know anything about the history of racism in America. I guess it is all rather "traditional". The Star of David on it did surprise me though.

Did you guys know that it's an old code word for black to call someone a socialist?
Did you know that calling him a socialist is also ignorant and shows the person using the term doesn't know what socialism really is? Or at the very least the person is trying to scare you? Read a few books on general political philosophy before you swallow anybody's lines like that. A politicians "definition" is especially perilous to trust in. If you read some books you can decide for yourself whether they're BSing you or not. McCain himself actually advocated the same higher taxes for the rich back in 2000 at a town hall type Q & A at a high school. When a girl asked why her dad, a doctor has to pay more in taxes than poor kids parents. He said the words "Well, I think the rich can afford to pay a little more." Now 8 years later when Obama's saying the same thing, it's "socialist".

Just for the record, if there was a Black Republican running in the primaries last year, that had similar viewpoints to McCain, I would have picked him over McCain.
Why would a black man have similar viewpoints to McCain? I don't know any blacks who think civil rights or the later observance of MLK day is a "waste of time and money" until it became politically inconvenient to believe that. Let me tell you, black people I work with don't forget who voted against MLK day.

I understand why loads of people are excited about Obama, from a historical perspective. I too would love to put a minority in the White house and make history, if their positions and views matched with mine. OBAMA DOES NOT FIT THE MOLD.
He doesn't fit YOUR mold, apparently about half of the people feel differently than you. What does that tell you about the people who think differently than you? Are we commies, just stupid and can't see the "truth" or are we just plain unamerican? Do I have to move because I don't have the same views as you? (sorry rattler I just couldn't help myself)

Another thing I don't get about the race argument is if I'm some racist bigot, then why in 2004 did I vote for Bush over Kerry? Both are "White" correct? It's just nonsense.
What race are you that you could find in yourself the courage to vote for either of those rich white guys? ;)

To be honest from my experience I have found racism coming from the other direction. I was in one of the main walkways of my Campus the other day for a bake sale and an Obama supporter (also the President of Student Organizations) was spouting the most ridiculous comments, (paraphrasing here): "I'd gather all the Christians into a room and drown them". "Those white people must be embarrassed of McCain after that debate".
Sounds to me like you overheard a conversation between some people and not really a soap box announcement from the student body. Racism comes in many forms and it's definitely a regrettable sentiment from anyone but when the things are going on like I mentioned at the top and coming out of the conservatives without any sort of official denouncement to put an end to that sort of nonsense, what sort of reaction do you seriously expect from the people on the receiving end of it? "Did you see that stuffed monkey with the Obama sticker on it? it was soooo cute!" If that's what you're expecting you're going to have to wait a long time...

Lastly I want to ask why is it that violence related to this Presidential contest stems from Obama supporters? There have been several stories on the news where people with McCain/Palin or NOBAMA bumper stickers/yard signs, have had their car or properties vandalized.
I haven't put an Obama sticker in my rear window of my car for the same reason, there's so many rednecks around here I'd expect to find a burnt cross on the hood when I come out to go to work. This is what happens when people let political and religious ideologies take hold of their consciousness, they get "crazy" and do things they probably would never do if they weren't getting some sort of psychological reward from their peers.

"Politics and religion are the two main causes of self-induced mental illness in the world today." - Dr. Robert Anton Wilson
 
  • #24
I'm gonna be so happy in about 2 weeks, irregardless of what happens -_-
 
  • #25
Ahem,

There is a big difference between blatant racism and simply disagreeing with someones ideas. The "Obama Bucks", is an obvious racist depiction. Putting a noose on a effigy of Obama with a star of David (I thought he was supposed to be muslim not a jew...but whatever). Those among other things are racist stereotypes if you know anything about the history of racism in America. I guess it is all rather "traditional". The Star of David on it did surprise me though.

Here's another thing I forgot to point out. Liberals believe racism can only come from the "dominant" race of society projected onto a "minority". Wrong. People voting for Obama, especially of Black descent, are equally able of being racist against John McCain.

Did you know that calling him a socialist is also ignorant and shows the person using the term doesn't know what socialism really is? Or at the very least the person is trying to scare you? Read a few books on general political philosophy before you swallow anybody's lines like that.

Are you suggesting that redistribution of wealth from one social economic class to another is not a tenet of Socialism?

A politicians "definition" is especially perilous to trust in. If you read some books you can decide for yourself whether they're BSing you or not. McCain himself actually advocated the same higher taxes for the rich back in 2000 at a town hall type Q & A at a high school. When a girl asked why her dad, a doctor has to pay more in taxes than poor kids parents. He said the words "Well, I think the rich can afford to pay a little more." Now 8 years later when Obama's saying the same thing, it's "socialist".

Source? DailyKOS doesn't count BTW.

Why would a black man have similar viewpoints to McCain? I don't know any blacks who think civil rights or the later observance of MLK day is a "waste of time and money" until it became politically inconvenient to believe that. Let me tell you, black people I work with don't forget who voted against MLK day.

WOW! JUST WOW!!! Are you trying to suggest that someone who's Black can't have conservative viewpoints? How freakin ignorant can you get!?

He doesn't fit YOUR mold, apparently about half of the people feel differently than you. What does that tell you about the people who think differently than you? Are we commies, just stupid and can't see the "truth" or are we just plain unamerican? Do I have to move because I don't have the same views as you? (sorry rattler I just couldn't help myself)

What is all this banter? What does my personal opinion on how race effects my vote have to do with the rest of the country or you moving?

What race are you that you could find in yourself the courage to vote for either of those rich white guys? ;)

Rich white guys... Do I sense racism on your part?

Sounds to me like you overheard a conversation between some people and not really a soap box announcement from the student body. Racism comes in many forms and it's definitely a regrettable sentiment from anyone but when the things are going on like I mentioned at the top and coming out of the conservatives without any sort of official denouncement to put an end to that sort of nonsense, what sort of reaction do you seriously expect from the people on the receiving end of it? "Did you see that stuffed monkey with the Obama sticker on it? it was soooo cute!" If that's what you're expecting you're going to have to wait a long time...

I didn't just OVERHEAR a conversation. I sat 2 feet away from it. This conversation was being held with the Obama table and Obama volunteers. It wasn't a back and forth Obama/McCain supporter bashing fest. It was an Obama supporter out of line, high fiving other Obama supporters while laughing at the thought of drowning all the Christians and "white people" comments. The person knew they were out of line, twice they looked towards the students lounging around and said "I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK I'M CRAZY". Nobody provoked it and nobody contended with the comments. It's amazing how you can just brush this aside.

I haven't put an Obama sticker in my rear window of my car for the same reason, there's so many rednecks around here I'd expect to find a burnt cross on the hood when I come out to go to work.

Now you're throwing the word "redneck" around...

This is what happens when people let political and religious ideologies take hold of their consciousness, they get "crazy" and do things they probably would never do if they weren't getting some sort of psychological reward from their peers.

Blah blah blah... your opinion about religious ideologies (which has very little weight after the religion shopping catalog thread) is worthless.

"Politics and religion are the two main causes of self-induced mental illness in the world today." - Dr. Robert Anton Wilson

Even though that you believe you're "above it all" and so "open-minded" you still SERVE and WORSHIP something. It may not be an official religion and you may not meet up once a week with other followers but mark my words you're still a slave to something.
 
  • #27
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There was nothing funny there..
hits a little too close to home it would seem.
its easier to ignore the unseemly aspects of ourselves.

Scot
 
  • #28
I thought it was hilarious too tho

Yeah, swords represents a bitter minority alright, smart people :D

Since he doesn't buy into a pre-fab ideology his opinion is meaningless (code for "incomprehensible to non-thinking persons")- move along!!
 
  • #29
Now Sarah Palin thinks that as VP she would be in charge of the Senate. Maybe she thinks that as President (in 2012) she would be able to appoint herself to the Supreme Court.
 
  • #31
I thought it was hilarious too tho

Yeah, swords represents a bitter minority alright, smart people :D

Since he doesn't buy into a pre-fab ideology his opinion is meaningless (code for "incomprehensible to non-thinking persons")- move along!!


or.. you represent a bitter minority alright, a bigoted arrogant minority who thinks anyone who doesnt agree with their narrow view must be stupid and non-thinking..
as you so clearly admitted..

Since you buy into a pre-fab ideology your opinion is meaningless (code for "incomprehensible to thinking persons")- move along!!

thats also a possibility IMO...

how can we tell which side is really buying into the pre-fab view?
the fringe left or the fringe right??
and we have both sides on this forum..

honestly, I think both fringes are insane..immune to reason and logic.
Ive always said Michael Moore and Michael Savage are exactly the same person..
totally out of touch with anything even resembling reality..

IMO, the only "thinking people" are the ones in the middle..
yes, you can be a bit left or right of center and have your "favorite side"..
most people are and do..
but if you are one of those who thinks your side is ALWAYS right and the other side is ALWAYS wrong, you might want to consider that maybe YOU are the one who has been brainwashed..and not the "other side"..

when your only response to valid points about yourself and the things you say is:

:-))

(which is intended to be nothing but an insult)
IMO you arent really thinking at all..

Scot
 
  • #32
What more can I really do but post a laughing face if people tell me they've got me all figured out? Am I supposed to prove them "wrong" somehow?

My "god" or my deep dark secret worship? Probably it would be books. I'm a reading addict. I sneak reading on various topics in wherever I can throughout my day. I'm a loose canon though, I'll read books even by authors I don't agree with. Lately I've been reading "Religion for the Hell of It" by Dr. Wilson. Right now I'm on the chapter about The Church of Fred Mertz Bodhisattva. This lighthearted little cult is based on the idea that Fred Mertz from I Love Lucy is a Bodhisattva. If you watch Lucy with the right frame of mind you'll find that Fred says many profound things like "What?" or "Huh?" or "I just don't understand what's going on here at all". The founder Antero Alli says that if you meditate on these phrases you can attain supreme enlightenment or at the very least waste a good deal of time... ;)

All kidding aside, for the rest of you, my aunt told me that the receptionist at her job (Bachman's Garden Centers and Plant Leasing) keeps getting calls and e-mails from people wanting to know if the store is related at all with Michele Bachmann and her hunt for anti-americanism. The stores official policy to callers and e-mailers is "The names are spelled differently and we just sell plants and supplies." I didn't really believe her that people were calling until I saw it on the local news tonight.
 
  • #33
Yeah, there were NO vaild points for Swords to respond to honestly

example swords posted
This is what happens when people let political and religious ideologies take hold of their consciousness, they get "crazy" and do things they probably would never do if they weren't getting some sort of psychological reward from their peers.

which elicited the simply idiotic childish response
Blah blah blah... your opinion about religious ideologies (which has very little weight after the religion shopping catalog thread) is worthless.

See, what Swords said was absolute truth, provable with literally thousands of examples (both political AND religious) There can be no refute to the dismissive "response" offered. By simply stating "blah blah blah" and "your opinion is worthless" the poster proved themselves to be a closed-minded arse with no inclination to deal with the facts presented. In order to refute something you have to show what is wrong with it, shooting the messenger is for people who have NOTHING to back up their ridiculous beliefs (and the bible doesn't count, I could use books to "prove" EVERYTHING, keep it empirical and you'll see you don't know nearly as much as you might like to think)

SO rather than call swords names why not go through his post again as happened above and give him something to actually refute. Failure to do so properly will simply prove that there is no actual argument, he stated the truth and you just got "yelling" at him at the top of your lungs, fueled by nothing more than the heady fumes of ideology
 
  • #34
when your only response to valid points about yourself and the things you say is:

:-))

(which is intended to be nothing but an insult)
IMO you arent really thinking at all..

When someone changes the subject or plays semantic games with every point you make, the only thoughtful thing to do is laugh. This argument obviously isn't going anywhere. You _really_ aren't thinking if you insist on trying to reason with someone who isn't trying to reason with you.
~Joe
 
  • #35
Yeah, there were NO vaild points for Swords to respond to honestly

example swords posted

which elicited the simply idiotic childish response

See, what Swords said was absolute truth, provable with literally thousands of examples (both political AND religious) There can be no refute to the dismissive "response" offered. By simply stating "blah blah blah" and "your opinion is worthless" the poster proved themselves to be a closed-minded arse with no inclination to deal with the facts presented.

You have an interesting way of deducing absolute truths. Seems almost convenient for your agenda. You challenge me to refute and dispute his response yet reply that what he said is an ABSOLUTE TRUTH without giving any proof. So basically you believe I should have the burden of proof, while you spew you're nonsense? Please.

Not refutable? Hardly. I can easily say the same to those with Godless ideologies. Once again you claim there were facts presented...where? I don't see any facts. I see a skewed opinion from someone who has no regard for religion, from someone who treats spirituality as a consumable product.

In order to refute something you have to show what is wrong with it, shooting the messenger is for people who have NOTHING to back up their ridiculous beliefs (and the bible doesn't count, I could use books to "prove" EVERYTHING, keep it empirical and you'll see you don't know nearly as much as you might like to think)

So the motivation of your post has finally surfaced. You're nothing but another hater, who foams at the mouth when God is mentioned. I'd recommend you try thinking outside of books and outside of the box because empirical evidence brings people to God just as well. The Bible isn't the only means of finding God or proving there is a God. BTW I'd be really interested in you providing an empirical proof that proves God doesn't exist because man has been trying to do this from the beginning of time and has never been able to. It is not possible through empirical means to prove or disprove God's existence.

SO rather than call swords names why not go through his post again as happened above and give him something to actually refute. Failure to do so properly will simply prove that there is no actual argument, he stated the truth and you just got "yelling" at him at the top of your lungs, fueled by nothing more than the heady fumes of ideology

Who's yelling or calling Swords names? We did give him something to refute. He obviously has something against "rich whites" and "rednecks". He also believes it is impossible for a Black person to have conservative values. Lots of stereotypes and prejudice flying around if you ask me. I also thought the emoticon response meant that what I said hit home, just like Scott said.
 
  • #36
When someone changes the subject or plays semantic games with every point you make, the only thoughtful thing to do is laugh. This argument obviously isn't going anywhere. You _really_ aren't thinking if you insist on trying to reason with someone who isn't trying to reason with you.
~Joe

Did you actually read any of the exchanges Joe, or could you just not resist an opportunity to come after me? There were no semantics or change of subject in my response to Swords. The fact that he didn't offer a reply is because he was caught in the act of risky prejudice. I mean seriously what can you reply to when you say that Black people can't have conservative values or who throws around words such as "rich white guys" or "rednecks". Keep pretending like you guys are the most tolerant and open-minded people because everybody knows that it is a fallacy.
 
  • #37
It was fun while it lasted. Thread closed for obvious reasons.

xvart.
 
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