AV8's plant is from the seed grown other location. If I recall is a nearby location to G. Lumut? I have noticed that they do have some fuzz unlike the G. lumut plants. I don't know how close in proximity they are to the red hairy ones but I doubt these other seed grown plants would be a combination of the two. The other seed grown N. hamata look very very similar to the G. lumut plants in leaf shape and growth habits. The red hairy plants are visibly different and in my experience much more tempermental.