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    Facebook CP groups are nice but....

    .....it gets a little nauseating seeing all the slime balls that have been banned from this and other forums for very valid reasons (scammers, ripe off artists, and thieves mostly) posting "like there's no tomorrow" on popular group pages, including the ICPS facebook page.

    Maybe I shoulda kept this to myself...but I didn't.

    Am I alone in this or are there other here avoiding Facebook groups for this reason?

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    There's plenty of people who avoid Facebook (though I think it's mostly people who just don't want to use Facebook in general.) I'm aware of the people you speak of and choose to ignore them. Personally I don't like Facebook as a forum-hosting platform because Facebook's content system is very transient and not conducive to long-term discussion. The problem is, most of the very experienced growers have migrated there over the years and don't visit forums any more. Facebook also has by far the largest and most active (that I'm aware of) CP trading community.

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    Facebook is nice for some things, not so much for others; forums I like because, as nimbulan noted, topics don't disappear after a day or two and can be continued in very in-depth and informative. Facebook is a good way to reach large audiences if you're into sharing photos and interesting tidbits (which I am). As for the displeasurable characters, you learn who to ignore and who to actively avoid pretty rapidly as is, no matter whether it's forum or FB.
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    I must be missing alot of action because I'm not on fb. I have noticed a significant drop off traffic on the forums, but it hasn't really limited my ability to trade and aquire plants. I'm sure I might be able to find deals and plants quicker but I like the community here. Same reason I don't buy from eBay. I like knowing the people I get plants from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcal View Post
    I must be missing alot of action because I'm not on fb. I have noticed a significant drop off traffic on the forums, but it hasn't really limited my ability to trade and aquire plants. I'm sure I might be able to find deals and plants quicker but I like the community here. Same reason I don't buy from eBay. I like knowing the people I get plants from.

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    I left FB a many years ago. If you research it, there is a lot of creepy ways they use your information, and they have access to it all.

    But some folks love it, it's engrained into their lives and they don't like it when others diss the website they depend on. I'm not here to try and convince anyone about anything, just giving my two cents. I won't post anything more on this subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcal View Post
    I must be missing alot of action because I'm not on fb. I have noticed a significant drop off traffic on the forums, but it hasn't really limited my ability to trade and aquire plants. I'm sure I might be able to find deals and plants quicker but I like the community here. Same reason I don't buy from eBay. I like knowing the people I get plants from.
    Well, what you're missing if your a member of multiple groups is you wall being covered with a non stop barrage of photos with comments, basic cultivation questions, and trades / sales. I agree the sales and trades are nice. And the photos are also nice. I honestly don't mind most of what goes on I just get a little .... annoyed ... seeing certain individuals who we all know are vermin of the lowest sort, commenting, sharing photos, offering up trades, and *gasp* one of them has started a CP business (zomg!!!!). And the newbies to the community are duped by these individuals into interacting with them. You know the day is coming when they start ripping people off on Facebook just like they did here and on eBay.

    Hopefully that don't happen but, can a leopard change it's spots? People don't really change much imho.

    I'll shut up now. Maybe....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcal View Post
    I must be missing alot of action because I'm not on fb. I have noticed a significant drop off traffic on the forums, but it hasn't really limited my ability to trade and aquire plants. I'm sure I might be able to find deals and plants quicker but I like the community here. Same reason I don't buy from eBay. I like knowing the people I get plants from.
    To be fair, quite a few of the eBay sellers are well-known. I've only personally spoken to one myself, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Acro View Post
    I left FB a many years ago. If you research it, there is a lot of creepy ways they use your information, and they have access to it all.

    But some folks love it, it's engrained into their lives and they don't like it when others diss the website they depend on. I'm not here to try and convince anyone about anything, just giving my two cents. I won't post anything more on this subject.
    People bring this up a lot but I don't see why it's such a big deal. They only have as much information as you give them. If you don't like it, don't give them any information. You don't have to post any pictures, add any friends, like any pages, and you can easily block any tracking scripts/cookies they use. You don't even have to use your real name (technically you do, but I've never heard of Facebook actually enforcing this rule, how could they possibly verify it?)

    In any case, it's not Facebook you should be worried about, it's Google. They've got data collection running on pretty much every website in existence (not to mention all the "free" software they provide.) They know more about you than you know about yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimbulan View Post
    People bring this up a lot but I don't see why it's such a big deal. They only have as much information as you give them. ....
    Actually, I wish that was the case but it's not. I am a self-employed insurance agent and Facebook advertising is one of the many ways I gain new clients. Facebook allows me to show ads to people that match a VERY specific criteria and the amount of targeting available at my disposal is quite alarming.

    For instance, if I want, I can show my ads to people 1.) within a 50 mile radius 2.) that are between ages 50-64 who 3.) are self-employed that 4.) make between 100k - 500k annually. Who also 5.) own their homes, not rent. People that 6.) lean conservative or liberal or both, people that 7.) are gay or straight or either one. People that 8.) have shown interest in insurance within the past 6 months. And if I want to be VERY specific I can also target by job title or industry. Now wrap your head around this: Facebook doesn't ask how much you make, they don't ask if you rent or own, they don't ask you if you are liberal or conservative, and they don't ask if your gay or straight. How do they know these things? Also, how do they know if you've shown interest in insurance within the past 6 months (hint: browser history)?

    If you are skeptical about this, try starting a business page and then running an ad. The audience targeting options are mind boggling.

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    It doesn't surprise me at all that they would be able to target ads that specifically, but none of that says how many of their users they can obtain that level of detailed information for or whether its even possible for unregistered users. They shouldn't be able to read your browser history, but they can certainly use tracking scripts/cookies to track your web use in real-time (if you're concerned about this there's a great browser addon called Privacy Badger that will block this stuff for you, Ghostery is another good one.) Despite this, I suspect their main source of information is what people put on their Facebook accounts - liked/browsed pages, pictures posted/tagged in, friends, etc. There's a lot of details that can be determined about a person based on careful analysis of the friends they have, where they live, the clothes they wear, etc.

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