Hi Buckeye,
I will say it again. No moral person can separate any aspect of Hitler's life from the means he used to acquire that life. The Nazi Party was a Party of thugs, crooks, right wing wingnuts, murderers and the like from the early 1920's! Hitler built a private army (illegal) to use to beat the crap out of anyone who opposed him. He killed other Party members. He staged a coup in 1924 to topple an elected democratic government. He started killing and beating up people AS A MEANS TO GET POWER long before he got power. For Arnold to admire in any way shape or form HOW Hitler came to power is at best stupid and at worst evil. If that admiration sits ok with you, fine, but it's like admiring a Mafia Boss who rises to power. If the path crooks and madmen use to gain power is to be admired and justified and their actions are to be excused because they were lower middle class then what else is there to say. Hitler rose by bashing heads. So if Arnold admires how he rose and not what he did with it once there then I guess Arnold admires acquiring power through murder. I find it horrible. Who cares if a low class person comes to power if that person does it by murdering and is a monster? How on earth can a moral person separate and parse this subject? Hitler's rise to power was as awlful as his use of it. There is no separation. It is all of one cloth. To try and separate them reveals an amorality and a narcissism worthy of Hilter himself. To look at Hilter and only see a little low class guy gain power is to reveal one's own warped need for power over others. Sadly, so much of our life today is that shallow and immoral. It really is just about being rich and powerful and if you get there who cares how you did it or who you killed.
You wrote:
"All this occurred before Hitler starting killing and taking over Germany. When Hitler started killing, he began abusing his power in a hateful way."
This statement is an evil lie. Hitler started killing in the early 1920's and never stopped. He was a sado-masocist not just some little guy who made it BIG BIG BIG! He did not abuse his power in a hateful way -- his power was won in a hateful way and was never anything but hate.
I am stunned that Repubs would justify Hitler in any way. I guess they do admire him deep down in some sick way.
Repubs can imagine that Saddam is Hitler all they want but it is not true. If any Fascist can be compared to Saddam it is Mussolini -- a big bag of wind. The USA has supported dicatators (Marcos, Pinochet, Shah of Iran, Saddam, Batista, Mubuto, and on and on) who murdered and raped their people and nations for decades. To now argue that we attacked Saddam because we care so much about the poor suffering people (whom we allowed to suffer for over 30 years, thank you) is an act of politcal hypocricy the likes of which boggles the mind. It is such an awlful lie. We are there so we will not have $5 a gallon gasoline. All the rest is bs. The day Saddam could pull a Pearl Harbor in this world is the day it rains pennies from heaven.
I am reassured that the Repub weapon inspectors in Iraq found "rooms, documents, computers and offices." Imagine my surprise that they still cannot find WMD as we were told that Saddam could bomb us in 45 seconds. Surely, such an awesome and terrifying force must have consisted of more than rooms, offices, computers and documents.
I do not have a pessimistic view of America. I have a pessimistic view of the nation the Repubs have ruined since 1981. Throughout the history of America, every progressive program has had to fight its way against the will of the right wing in whatever party they were at the time and particularly in the 20th century. The Repubs have fought civil rights, education, social security, medicare, voting rights, ERA, EPA. unions, wages, the right to sue, GI Bill, the arts, science -- everything. All that is good in Ameirca has been won against the Repub onslaught. The Repubs have never done anything that actually helped the people of this country and they have certainly never done a thing to help me. I am not pessimistic but I do not look at America through the lessons of a high school history book.
Bobby
I will say it again. No moral person can separate any aspect of Hitler's life from the means he used to acquire that life. The Nazi Party was a Party of thugs, crooks, right wing wingnuts, murderers and the like from the early 1920's! Hitler built a private army (illegal) to use to beat the crap out of anyone who opposed him. He killed other Party members. He staged a coup in 1924 to topple an elected democratic government. He started killing and beating up people AS A MEANS TO GET POWER long before he got power. For Arnold to admire in any way shape or form HOW Hitler came to power is at best stupid and at worst evil. If that admiration sits ok with you, fine, but it's like admiring a Mafia Boss who rises to power. If the path crooks and madmen use to gain power is to be admired and justified and their actions are to be excused because they were lower middle class then what else is there to say. Hitler rose by bashing heads. So if Arnold admires how he rose and not what he did with it once there then I guess Arnold admires acquiring power through murder. I find it horrible. Who cares if a low class person comes to power if that person does it by murdering and is a monster? How on earth can a moral person separate and parse this subject? Hitler's rise to power was as awlful as his use of it. There is no separation. It is all of one cloth. To try and separate them reveals an amorality and a narcissism worthy of Hilter himself. To look at Hilter and only see a little low class guy gain power is to reveal one's own warped need for power over others. Sadly, so much of our life today is that shallow and immoral. It really is just about being rich and powerful and if you get there who cares how you did it or who you killed.
You wrote:
"All this occurred before Hitler starting killing and taking over Germany. When Hitler started killing, he began abusing his power in a hateful way."
This statement is an evil lie. Hitler started killing in the early 1920's and never stopped. He was a sado-masocist not just some little guy who made it BIG BIG BIG! He did not abuse his power in a hateful way -- his power was won in a hateful way and was never anything but hate.
I am stunned that Repubs would justify Hitler in any way. I guess they do admire him deep down in some sick way.
Repubs can imagine that Saddam is Hitler all they want but it is not true. If any Fascist can be compared to Saddam it is Mussolini -- a big bag of wind. The USA has supported dicatators (Marcos, Pinochet, Shah of Iran, Saddam, Batista, Mubuto, and on and on) who murdered and raped their people and nations for decades. To now argue that we attacked Saddam because we care so much about the poor suffering people (whom we allowed to suffer for over 30 years, thank you) is an act of politcal hypocricy the likes of which boggles the mind. It is such an awlful lie. We are there so we will not have $5 a gallon gasoline. All the rest is bs. The day Saddam could pull a Pearl Harbor in this world is the day it rains pennies from heaven.
I am reassured that the Repub weapon inspectors in Iraq found "rooms, documents, computers and offices." Imagine my surprise that they still cannot find WMD as we were told that Saddam could bomb us in 45 seconds. Surely, such an awesome and terrifying force must have consisted of more than rooms, offices, computers and documents.
I do not have a pessimistic view of America. I have a pessimistic view of the nation the Repubs have ruined since 1981. Throughout the history of America, every progressive program has had to fight its way against the will of the right wing in whatever party they were at the time and particularly in the 20th century. The Repubs have fought civil rights, education, social security, medicare, voting rights, ERA, EPA. unions, wages, the right to sue, GI Bill, the arts, science -- everything. All that is good in Ameirca has been won against the Repub onslaught. The Repubs have never done anything that actually helped the people of this country and they have certainly never done a thing to help me. I am not pessimistic but I do not look at America through the lessons of a high school history book.
Bobby