Believe or not I have actually used several different types of the humane traps and in my experience they are no where near as effective as the the snap trap style. The sticky traps are pointless in my opinion because they don't instantly kill the mouse plus they aren't reusable. AS for the flies our house is old and has lots of hidden cracks that they come into. We've tried the repellant. In fact we have used a three prong attack of repellants, flypaper, and flyswatters and the little buggers still come in. Oh well free food for my plants/firebellied toad.[b said:
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Yeah Clint you are all against hunting but what do you grow? Plants that eat animals! Besides hunting is part of the food chain Humans just like any other animal need to eat and as we are omnivorous we find our food in both vegetable and animal matter. We need to eat just like anything else how do we do this by either raising our own food. Or scavenging it from the wild. And hunting isn`t very cruel the animal(if you`re a good shot) would only hurt for a few minutes. Yet in commercial egghouses(for lack of a better term) they keep 3 hens in a cage that is less then the size of the wingspan of 1 hen! And they have it slanted wire so the hens can never scratch like a chicken is supposed to do,they feed them hormones and antibiotics to pump up there egg laying capacity and they never even see the sun until that one day when they get slaughtered for makeing soup because they are no longer useful layers
I raise chickens and we free range them(they have free run of the yard and then come to a nice lighted\heated barn for night times to prevent predators from eating them) and they are very inteligent and social creatures. This needs to be stopped it`s just too cruel. Along with goldfish bowls.
I raise chickens and we free range them(they have free run of the yard and then come to a nice lighted\heated barn for night times to prevent predators from eating them) and they are very inteligent and social creatures. This needs to be stopped it`s just too cruel. Along with goldfish bowls.I agree with you on that those sticky traps are just inhumane. Personaly it bugs me whenever I see a mouse dead in a mouse trap. I felt realy guilty when I stepped on a baby chipmunk once and it`s mother went over to it and appeared to be crying I was so disheartened(Or should I say heartbroken) to see that[b said:
especialy knowing it was my fault.Didn't read my posts. The mice come into the house in the winter. They don't come for the food as we keep that stuff away. They come for the warmth and we've fileld as many holes in the house as we could find. Doesn't help that for every hole we plug a mouse manages to chew out several others. Anyways off to bed will continue this debate tomorrow. I am suprised how many responses this thread has gotten.[b said:
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only my plants outside are fed, and i'm not the one who does it so my hands blood (or whatever they have) free.[b said:Quote[/b] (pond boy @ Oct. 11 2004,2:01)]Yeah Clint you are all against hunting but what do you grow? Plants that eat animals! Besides hunting is part of the food chain Humans just like any other animal need to eat and as we are omnivorous we find our food in both vegetable and animal matter. We need to eat just like anything else how do we do this by either raising our own food. Or scavenging it from the wild. And hunting isn`t very cruel the animal(if you`re a good shot) would only hurt for a few minutes. Yet in commercial egghouses(for lack of a better term) they keep 3 hens in a cage that is less then the size of the wingspan of 1 hen! And they have it slanted wire so the hens can never scratch like a chicken is supposed to do,they feed them hormones and antibiotics to pump up there egg laying capacity and they never even see the sun until that one day when they get slaughtered for makeing soup because they are no longer useful layers
my plants inside only catch what lives in the substrate, and that's their problem. everything else is fed with a mild fertilizer solution.
humans do not need to eat animals, look at me. even the american cancer society says that eating meat increases risk of cancer. you can get 100% of every nutrient you need from plant material.
hunting is cruel, assuming your a good shot, like you said it still HURTS. it is MURDER. if someone shot me in the head, it would only hurt for a few minutes, but does that make it right?
"Yet in commercial egghouses(for lack of a better term) they keep 3 hens in a cage that is less then the size of the wingspan of 1 hen! And they have it slanted wire so the hens can never scratch like a chicken is supposed to do,they feed them hormones and antibiotics to pump up there egg laying capacity and they never even see the sun until that one day when they get slaughtered for makeing soup because they are no longer useful layers" that is all true, not to mention broiler hens are bred to be frankenfood. they are denied water , food, and become canibalistic. to remedy this, their beaks are chopped off.
i thank you VERY much for freeranging your chickens, i really do. if you must have chickens, treat them like noah does instead of the way a factory farm would treat them
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.....[b said:Quote[/b] (JustLikeAPill @ Oct. 11 2004,11:08)]only my plants outside are fed, and i'm not the one who does it so my hands blood (or whatever they have) free.
my plants inside only catch what lives in the substrate, and that's their problem. everything else is fed with a mild fertilizer solution.
<span style='color:blue'>Oh no, they just ate some ants that went into the trap... this is murder!</span>
humans do not need to eat animals, look at me. even the american cancer society says that eating meat increases risk of cancer. you can get 100% of every nutrient you need from plant material.
<span style='color:blue'>Vegetarian diets are very expensive. Again, we dont have 10 dollars for each meal we eat.</span>
hunting is cruel, assuming your a good shot, like you said it still HURTS. it is MURDER. if someone shot me in the head, it would only hurt for a few minutes, but does that make it right?
<span style='color:blue'>Actually if you hunt correctly they die instantly. They dont hurt at all, not even 1/10th of a second. If you were shot in the head, would you be alive for 5 minutes in agony on the floor before you died? no indeed. Hunting isnt murder. These are ANIMALS we are talking about here... They arent HUMANS. They dont have the same level of AWARENESS as we do.</span>
"Yet in commercial egghouses(for lack of a better term) they keep 3 hens in a cage that is less then the size of the wingspan of 1 hen! And they have it slanted wire so the hens can never scratch like a chicken is supposed to do,they feed them hormones and antibiotics to pump up there egg laying capacity and they never even see the sun until that one day when they get slaughtered for makeing soup because they are no longer useful layers" that is all true, not to mention broiler hens are bred to be frankenfood. they are denied water , food, and become canibalistic. to remedy this, their beaks are chopped off.
<span style='color:blue'>eek yea thats true, and wrong...</span>
i thank you VERY much for freeranging your chickens, i really do. if you must have chickens, treat them like noah does instead of the way a factory farm would treat themand i agree with goldfish bowls, too
<span style='color:blue'>yea</span>
Goldfish bowls are cruel cruel torture chambers *gasp* the fish suffocate slowly in those things the only thing they are good for is for a betta(if you keep you`re house warm) or a terrarium. And no Clint it isn`t murder murder involves killing some other human. Not animals,we were made by God to eat both plant and meat but if you can go by with just plant material fine Christ went with just plant material and fish all his life(I think Mary did too) but this wasn`t because eating meat is evil it`s because it`s a sacrafice to give up eating meat. Hmmm. what would you call me I don`t "eat" anything and my feeds are like a soy\milk base.........But thats not by choice if I could I`d eat a nice big lamburts all you can eat lamburt burger ummm.....I wish I was well again!
Christ went with just plant material and fish all his life(I think Mary did too) but this wasn`t because eating meat is evil it`s because it`s a sacrafice to give up eating meat. Hmmm. what would you call me I don`t "eat" anything and my feeds are like a soy\milk base.........But thats not by choice if I could I`d eat a nice big lamburts all you can eat lamburt burger ummm.....I wish I was well again!
But you still in the end have blood on your hands. Is there a difference between a person who contributes to the murder of one person and another who contributes to the murder of ten? No there isn't they are both still murderers. Also meat is delicious. I don't care how wrong it is I am not giving up my delicious ham sandwhiches.[b said:
I am a huge hunter and people that can not deal with it, well to bad. I respect your opinion but their is no way I agree with it.[b said:
This will turn into pointless bickering. Basically what happens is that people get pissed off at each other because they do not understand their point of view. They try and try to explain and when that does not work you end up fighting. The pure fact is sometimes you will not change their mind and some people can not understand that.
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