Who do you think you are calling some people here ignorant and evil?[b said:Quote[/b] (ktulu @ Dec. 30 2004,1:22)]you all seem to enjoy trashing the church with out realising with out it your oh so precious theory of evolution would not have ever come to be.
The church preserved the knowledge of the anicients during the middle ages, and it also was the cause of the Rennaissance, which first gave people the idea of questioning the church, this line of thinking led to the enlightenment, which is where you first see the thinkers that began to try ot explain the world around them with non-religous explainations. This is where your theory of evolution comes from.
Also darwin was educated by the church, and if he had not been educated he likely would not have been able to document and support his ideas that helped to lead to the acceptance of the theory of evoultion. and as a side note i would like to clear up darwin did not come up with teh theory of evolution, he merely found a tool that allowed evolution to occur.
And for all of you who like to point out the miss use of religion(cursades, inquistion, missionaries) the theory of evoution and darwinism has also been miss used. It has often been used to justify allowing people to live in poverty and giving them no assitance, which being they are human beings is just wrong, at least the church calls for the people who believe in it to help those who are in a bad position, never heard evolutionist calling to help the people who are in a bad situtation.
Oh and to those who say that people who do not understand evolution are ignorant, konw this i have spent the last 3 years studying evolution as it relates to humans, and i still dont believe it because there are way too many problems with evolution, espceally since the theory is moving to punctuated evolution, which would mean that the way things are going species should have likely started changing rapidly to adapt to the alterations humans have made to the enviroment. And to those of you who keep calling religion evil, i say you are the ignorant, evil people, since you do not respect peoples rights and can only site a few instances where religion has been misused to base your accusation on
[b said:Quote[/b] ]bloody hell.
Now we aren't arguing which is true, we're arguing which has better followers.
What I've found amazing all along is most of you seem to speak on religion as if you were experts. Yet it is ovious most of you don't have a clue about much of anything, and are simply regurgitating what you have been spoon fed last semester. Passing off the teaching of others as you're own thought is essentially plagerism.[b said:Quote[/b] (TheAlphaWolf @ Dec. 30 2004,12:33)]well... you know what they say... it's the thought that counts. The church was only supporting that to prove christianity.. which isn't very scientific as someone explained before.
Nobody said anything about any church anyway. What we said includes many religions (Ie. the middle east... it's mostly muslims vs. jews). don't be so paranoic.
and yes... Darwin even wanted to be a minister or something, but then found that science is better.
ok... give us problems.[b said:Quote[/b] ]and i still dont believe it because there are way too many problems with evolution, espceally since the theory is moving to punctuated evolution, which would mean that the way things are going species should have likely started changing rapidly to adapt to the alterations humans have made to the enviroment.
so I guess organisms should evolve to be able to eat plastic?
and species are evolving because of humans.
Viruses (which are technically not alive) evolve very fast- SARS being an example.
Bacteria are becoming resistant to even the strongest antibiotics, dogs, cats, fish, PLANTS, have all been domesticated (well... changed into something not found in the wild anyway), pests like insects are becoming resistant to pesticides, etc...
they have?[b said:Quote[/b] ]because others here called religous people ignorent and evil, hae u forgotten?
http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/begin1.html[b said:Quote[/b] ]Most creationists and creationologists today are either conservative Christians or orthodox Jews who believe that the Bible (Christian), or the Torah (Jewish), is accurate in its description of God's creation of the world and of life. They therefore believe the Bible when it says that the world, the stars, planets, and life were created over a short time (six ordinary 24-hour days). They also believe the Bible when it says that the first living things were created fully formed (that means the chicken was created before the egg: Genesis 1:20-22).
Creationologists (including creation scientists) believe that most fossils are the result of the worldwide flood described in the book of Genesis, and that the earth's surface, mountains, and terrain we see today were basically shaped by that flood.