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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Rubra @ Mar. 28 2005,8:58)]I agree that these "Christian" ideas get tiring, but don't be judging the whole faith by what a few weak willed apathetic people do.

    While it may not seem like Public School is bombarding you with anything, by eliminating any "religion", you introduce atheism or some alternative. Since we are taught certain things as fact, many people accept these things as fact without thought.
    I wasn't commenting on the quality of the Christian beliefs I've encountered, just the quantity, and aggressiveness of their presentation. "How Christian" those people were is irrelevant.

    But we can skip my subjective, unreliable experience and look at the stats.... which suggest most people in this country are exposed to Christianity far more than any other belief system (regardless of purity).

    In school I learned history, math, science, english, art, a few other things. Never atheism. By definition, atheism is still a stance on the state of the spiritual world... I wouldn't give it a place in public schools either. Agnosticism might find its way in there, but I don't think there's really anything harmful about saying, "I don't know."

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    Quote[/b] ]Lewis's point is that it is not culturally imposed
    @#$%$#@#$!
    L-U-I-S! grr... (lol... no I'm not mad at you, everyone confuses it too)
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]it comes from more than culture..
    its something ALL humans understand on a primal level, outside of culture..
    its something that is not taught.
    you mean instinct... ok, no problem. instincts evolve.
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    Quote[/b] ]Luis, you have read Flavius Josephus / Antiquities of the Jews?
    sorry to disappoint you but no. Why do you think so? to tell you the truth I had never heard of it :P
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]While it may not seem like Public School is bombarding you with anything, by eliminating any "religion", you introduce atheism or some alternative.
    lack of religion's influence doesn't mean presence of atheism.
    Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish-Euripides
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (TheAlphaWolf @ Mar. 28 2005,9:48)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Lewis's point is that it is not culturally imposed
    @#$%$#@#$!
    L-U-I-S! grr... (lol... no I'm not mad at you, everyone confuses it too)
    He's talking about C.S. Lewis, I think. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

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    Quote[/b] ]Republican, but I definately care about the environment
    i know that but it is a fact most elected republican officials put buisness first -housing and development, logging, recreation (hotels)- over any enviormental concerns.
    that makes no logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]He's talking about C.S. Lewis, I think.
    oh lol... sorry!
    dang I need to sleep. I'm pooped!
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (endparenthesis @ Mar. 28 2005,3:54)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (TheAlphaWolf @ Mar. 28 2005,9:48)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Lewis's point is that it is not culturally imposed
    @#$%$#@#$!
    L-U-I-S! grr... (lol... no I'm not mad at you, everyone confuses it too)
    He's talking about C.S. Lewis, I think. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]
    yes, I was referring to C.S. Lewis!
    sorry..I should have been clearer since we also have "Luis" here..
    Scot

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    well, my point was that it IS culturally imposed, so it was my fault.
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    [QUOTE=[b]Quote[/b] (scottychaos @ Mar. 29 2005,2:57)]
    Quote Originally Posted by TheAlphaWolf,Mar. 28 2005,2:44
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]that's what kids do.
    Right and wrong are culturally imposed. for it to be culturally imposed, there has to be a culture. for there to be a culture, there has to be right and wrong. it's very simple actually.
    Lewis's point is that it is not culturally imposed..
    it comes from more than culture..
    its something ALL humans understand on a primal level, outside of culture..
    its something that is not taught.
    there probably wasnt enough in what I quoted to really get the gist of that..you would have to read more to really get the idea..
    Scot
    i have to disagree first off he mentions only old world nations and only large civilizations, not a single small foraging group. Secondly i belive his law should be the law of society not nature, because you will never find a human who is not part of a culture which has estabilshed a set of right or wrong rules of conduct. The idea of fairness is something that is totally cultural. there are groups who do have unequal reciprosity systems and people do not feel cheated by them. There are groups that would feel that when i gave you part of my orange you are not required nor expected to give me part of your orange later. There are cultures who do not believe in combat at all so running on the battle field is acceptable. Nothing he (C.S. Lewis) has shown is something that is outside of cultural context. Unfortunately you can not find any people who do not have cultural influnce so "proving" it is cultural is very difficult but the fact that there are no universals in what is seen as right and wrong is a pretty good indication that there is not a instinctive basis for conscience.
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