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    Phil, Thanks for relegating John to the bowels of-------This has been 11 or 12 pages of the most wasted crap I have ever read! Makes a person wonder why everybody is crying. Nothing to cry about. I have plants that need me. Everything else is unimportant. I mean, I came here to talk about the love in my life, CP. Why the rest of you are here, is now in question, as far as I am concerned. You can say whatever you want as far as it goes with me. But, cruelty, anger, untolerance , and hostility, will be met in a proper manner. I will delete anyone on these forums, if I feel it is in bad taste. But, I will PM the member and tell them why. They have the chance to write back, and tell me I am an idiot, or whatever. But delete you I will, but always with the reason why. I do not do it often though. Most people here keep it as cool as they can. Spec, John, SunDoode, crossed the line for the last time, and I think the rest of you need to think about what has been said here. We do our best. And as life will have it, we get to fall on our faces from time to time. Sorry for our imperfections, but we are human too.



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    I'm speechless(well almost [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img] )It took me about 40 minutes to read all this.I just wanna say that what Caslock said was awesome,IMHO.I couldn't have sead it better.Also I have not been here for a long time(maybe a month)and I really like this forum! Also I just wanted to appologize to all the mods(and anybody else I annoyed)because I particapated in one of the "game" posts(only2 times tho [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img] )I had no idea what you mods have to go through,so I apologize for wasting your time,and I will try to watch myself from now on [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] Also I don't know you Tony,but I really wish you wouldn't leave. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_h_32.gif[/img] I know this was a rough topic but hopefully you will change your mind and come back.Ok that's all I have to say about that.*Niki*(Trapper7)
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    Hey Guys ---

    let me clarify.

    It's not the "games" --- it's not the random topics for recreation or entertainment that the mods or *I* are against.

    We are against things that start spiraling out of control.... get abusive... or sometimes instigate arguments, etc.

    Do as you please... but when enough is enough... let it go.

    Mods don't read everything. It's simply impossible. But mods, and *I* as the owner of the board listen to imput, get private messages daily, etc on abuse - childish behavior.. etc.

    Sometimes we choose to lock a topic.. or just remove it if it's gotten out of control.

    But let me reiterate -- it's RARE!

    It has nothing to do with who's participating, who started the topic, or any such thing... it's just determined on quality of conversation and what's actually being contributed.

    There are a few members that ill never be happy... some will think we pick on them or give them worse treatment than other members.... for the record, that is INCORRECT!

    We give everyone an open forum and the opportunity to speak their minds. Rarely does anything get removed.

    Enjoy -- don't worry about what you're posting...

    Afterall, if it's offensive or derogatory, then you should know better!

    If not -- we have to leave it up to the mods, in which I give 100% trust and faith to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Tony Paroubek @ Mar. 22 2005,8:12)]And you want to know the funny part? The person who started the game thread hasn't even said one word to complain.

    Consider this my last post here. I am out of here. Have a nice life. I am stepping down from modship here and leaving the forum. Anyone that wishes to contact me in the future knows how to do so already. Please don't PM. I will not be checking them while this account still exists.
    That was my game thread that got locked. It didn't bother me that it was locked. It's their forum, their rules.

    Guys, you're effectively a guest in somebody else's house as a member of a forum, and the owner has a right to be upset if you spill beer on his sofa!

    If I knew what kind of s**tstorm would arise from that stupid game thread, i never would have posted it. Lesson learned.

    I, for one, am very sorry for the trouble stirred up.
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    Holy Moly. I should have signed on last night. What the heck is going on here? All I am reading is a bunch of complaining balogna about a GIFT!!

    For crying out loud people! This forum is FREE! I.E. YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT! What kind of nerve must you have to complain about it?

    I have been a member here for almost three years, and a mod for quite a while. I have yet to loose my cool, but I am getting dangerously close. I, and the other mods/admins, bust my butt to keep this place running smoothly because I/we CARE about it.

    And all you can do is blast us?

    If you have a legitimate gripe, fine. I've seen them before. I've had to appologize for them before.

    However, if you gripe, and are then told my more than one mod that you are wrong, then you are wrong. Period. End of story. Drop it. If you keep fighting it, you'll just be digging yourself even deeper.

    On a better note, I do see some people here that have been spoken to speaking up in our defense. That gives me some heart that at least some people can learn. I wish everyone was so open to lessons.
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    To those of you that have expressed your appreciation to the Moderators for their hard work, I thank you.

    I am going to do something perhaps other Mods won't appreciate here, but I am going to air some laundry so some of you who perhaps think we are ogre's can get a better idea of what goes on. And since John/JRPower/Spectabalis33/Sundoode188/OneLasyKilobyte (and those are the names I remember off the top of my head) has offered up his life here as an example:

    Spec was at one point a moderator, he was demoted, if memory serves, when Phil demoted several people, not because they did anything wrong, but because there were simply to many topics, to many mods, and the boards were confusing. (I may be shady on the details here, this all happened while I was on hiatus for reasons similar to this topic.)

    And I will tell you in all honesty, I don't know why Spec/Sundoode was banned initially, I basically was so disgusted with some peoples behavior that I stopped coming here for almost a year, I just stuck my head in the mod/admin forum to say Hi. BY all rights, Phil should have sacked me (and he did as Admin I am a SuperMod now.), but regardless, I have no idea why he got banned. However, as you can see by his plethora of names, he kept trying to sneak back in under the wire, and eventually he did as Sundoode.

    We didn't notice for a while, and when it finally fame to light a couple months ago that Sundoode was Spec, the mods were decisively split on whether to can his ID or let him stay. Those of us that were perhaps more ignorant of his true self said "He's behaving now, maybe he has matured" and let him have an official second chance.

    Second Chances are something we have allowed in the past, infact, I can remember only 2. This was one of those instances, one of the rules I set up a long time ago was that Second Chancers would never get to 'ride the glory' of their old names, you have to come in with a new name and build yourself in the community that way. One of Specs conditions of returning, was that he not associate sundoode to spectabalis, which he did in this topic, but even then, the ogre mods let him keep posting, or should I say string the rope around his own neck.

    And this morning, our mature friend logged back in again under the name "OneLastKilobyte" to take a parting shot at Phil, that of course was deleted and the new account locked.

    As far as other vauge things Sundoode implied: Signature File, Spec was asked nicely to reduce the size of his signature, it was quite simply larger than most posts (even many of my novels that I post here!) because he is imature, he turned right back around and reported HellZ for having a large signature file as well. What happened? I contacted Hellz and asked him to shrink it, did it happen immediately? NO, this is not a realtime environment, it had nothing to do with favoritism. Did some one call Spec a tattle tail and a whiner? Yup, it was me. I let him know how it appears when you are called out for something, and then you turn around and rat out a friend for the same thing. it's WHINING. Hellz would have gotten a PM about his sig when a MOD noticed it, we don't notice everything at once folks.

    I won't even comment on the game threads, I find some of them amusing, all good things in moderation is the key.

    We are taking permenant measures to lock this imature child from our forums forever. A moderator has called and talked to his parents, His parents are taking measures to block him from coming here on their end as well. We have only had to make calls to ISP's and Parents one time before that I can remember, for a racist spouting garbage on our forums. Esteemed company he keeps.

    Every mod who stood up for him and let him back on feels incredibly betrayed.

    I know it's not the full story, I quite simply wasn't here for most of it. But rest assured, specs life here is finished, and it was not without it's share of 2nd and 3rd chances. We bent over backwards for him because many of us considered him a friend, *wool over eyes*.

    New policy. NO MORE SECOND CHANCES. We have been burned every time we tried it, and we will not do it again. So, fair warning to everyone. If you do something worthy of getting banned, it will be permenant. And please, don't feel like the boogyman is looking over your shoulder, if your a good person acting responsibly, you have no reason to worry, and we tend to talk to you before things get out of hand unless it involves porn/vulgarity/racism and the like.

    BTW, for those of you who still think we are oppressive, remember, mods started out as hobbyists, and that is what they are primarily, the fact that they were chosen to exert some power here speaks volumes for their charachter. Please always keep in mind that a Mod would rather talk to you as a friend than as a mod, that they would rather spend their time here participating rather than cleaning up messes and reading stuff that doesn't interest them. Some people think being a mod gives you cool cosmic powers and sets you apart. being a mod is simply stepping up and taking responsibilty for something you care about, this community. If mods get overzealous in their actions, keep in mind it is done out of love for this community, if they didn't love this place, and by wrote, if they didn't care about YOU, they wouldn't be spending their time here.

    OH, and on a personal note, if you have no idea of what impact this responsibility has on a person, keep in mind that it KILLED my love of this hobby. I still have a few plants and will certainly enjoy their beauty... but you will notice that I don't spend much of my time in the actual plant forums here anymore, I simply don't care. Why? I can ramble off some names, Tim, MattiLord of the Pings, Porn, and the list goes on... I don't want your sympathy, so don't think that is what I am going for, I want you to understand that what my friends do here, is a hard thankless job that takes its toll. I am frankly amazed that most of the original mod crew is still here.

    That being said, we now return you to your regularly scheduled forum usage.



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    Wow....!

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    First let me say I am not ashamed of my self for posting my opinion in a publicly discussable way. And, that while my post could be percieved as a flat out roast, that is not the intent. I always overdramatize things, it's just how I write. I think most of you who know me know that. I am sorry that a few or one MEMBER took it to the limit. I should have maybe been more specific so please alow me to clarify. Ozzy- I absolutly was not talking about you, I've NEVER had anything to say about you. In fact until you posted in this thread I didn't realize you were even a moderator. PAK you're good by me, and I also didn't realize at the time you guy's had to read through evey post. Tony what I will say is the wording (I could have misinterpeted) was not really fruitful. I know you guy have probably said the same thing 1000 times, but a quick explanation would have been sufficient. I don't even know if you'll read this so. Pingman(sic) I do appreciate that hortaculture is you're profession, admire even. I appreciate that you're educating people in proper nominclature usage.
    I just felt a little belittled that you edited every post. I thought a little note at the first mistake would have sufficed, as most people start at the first post. That was basicly all I had to say. Other than that I think the Mods are doing a fine job. I am sorry that this thread turned into a place to publicly bash the mods. I opened it to get both sides, and it turned into a monster. My Apologie.
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    You should never be ashamed to speak your mind here...anybody. As long it is not in a derogatory or "attacking" manner. You keep comments to the "I" words..."I think", "I feel", "I believe". Everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions. We enjoy the discussions as well. But some people use this forum (occasionally) to publicy embarrass/bash someone, air grievances and spout false propaganda. And that's not the purpose here. Its mainly EDUCATION as well as fun and fellowship with like-minded growers.

    There are times that subjects come up publicly that really should be private. Any grievance should be taken to mods for solutions. That's why arguments should never erupt. The mods are here to HELP the membership with any issues you might have. And believe me...we get a lot of requests...daily. What the mods do is not always visible on the boards. A lot is "behind the scenes."

    There are many of you here that have approached me with issues. So you know what kind of "behind the scenes" assistance goes on.

    And yeah...we have to read ALL the posts. Or we try. We can't read every single one every single day. But between all the mods, we get most of them.
    We do it because we love this community.
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