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  • #101
altrade, you posted after I posted, plus I was aiming that at the people that started this trash. Not directed at you or anyone that has any sense around here.
 
  • #102
I think we neeed the moderators. I know they don't like games and I understand why. They probibly let evolution and others go on because it's fun and we learn about eachother/our community. I trust that the moderators know what to do. Obviously one or two has a bad day at some time but who doesn't?
 
  • #103
that was cool. like when god comes down and gets the blasphemers! tony-please stay!
 
  • #104
YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!! Sorry to all you respectfull, cool members and mods, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Thats it say buh bye because im going to better places I came here to learn about cps, and possibly aquire some new ones but you immature members turned it into a childish, idiotic, 7th grade girl drama!!!
 
  • #105
Ok guys, this has gotten way out of hand. People, you gotta calm down a bit and look at things in perspective. If Phil doesn't want games in his forums, then, big deal, don't make game topics. It's not like you can't express yourself, lots of unrelated (yet amusing) banter goes on here without being related to CPs.

I've been on this forum for quite a while (I lurked many a month before signing up and becoming a member), even if I don't have too many posts, I've real a lot of topics and I've never seen a mod do something without reason- well, except maybe our loveable Ozzy, but we all know he's a joker that way. It's not like only mods can have fun, either, and really, if you don't have fun here, um... Why are you here anyway?

Why do inflamitory topics get locked? Well, as proven here, some people can't act maturely. I know that there are lots of people that aren't adults here, so no one is asking you to be an adult, only act respectful. Furthermore, I acknowledge that there are a lot of people that have been mature about this- on BOTH sides of the issue.

I'm not trying to suck up to the mods or anything, but I would like to thank you guys a lot for doing what you do. Don't misconstrue, now; there are a lot of people here who appreciate what you do.

Conversely, I'd like to thank all of you members out there who help me through my day, either with valuable information, humorous banter, advice, and simply be being here and being respectful contributers.

So, to sum up all this business (for me, at least)- Can't we all just get along?
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Ok, so that sounds corny, but, seriously, mod and member are here for the same reason, so what good does it do to fight among one another? We're all doing our best to try to make these forums a good place (heaven knows, we have a lot of great people so it should be a good place!), and if you have conflicting views, then don't be trolls, don't flame, don't be acusatory. If you have problems with a sepcific person (member or mod) you can always send them a message.

As my real last note, let's all just try to keep it respectful and have a good time. My hat's off again to all of you great people out there that work, either by moderating, posting, or both, to make this a great place.
 
  • #106
yeah you guys are all taking this too anal (excuse my french) but darn, relax ladies
 
  • #107
Thanks to everyone who has spoken up in appreciation for the moderators. Its greatly appreciated. But very disheartening to see people criticizing a job they DON'T DO and have no idea what its like...trying to please hundreds of members from all over the world, with different beliefs, personalities and skill levels.

We're darned if we do and darned if we don't. We leave things alone and arguments break out, we get complaints and people leave the forums because its a "kiddie playground". You try to keep some order and you get bashed as being censors and power-hungry Hitlers.

You can't win.
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  • #108
alrite guys, lets calm this tension down

i mean seriously u guys who started this should be ashamed of yourselves. Being on this forums for 4 years, this never had happened until now....
 
  • #110
i persononally believe the mods do a great job. they move a topic when askede, they lock a topic when asked. they just do a great job. thanks guys

also thank to the man who pays for this forum


Thanks


Brad
 
  • #111
I have only been a member for a short while, and I must say that I find most of the discussions here respectful and well thought out, and well moderated by the moderators....at least here you are allowed to make your argument, while in other forums, controversial subjects are immediately taken down, which I hate.  I like a good discussion.

Many Kudoes to the owner and the mods.  

But I gotta say this.....I go to Gardenweb all the time.  I love it.  I don't hang out in the bog gardens/cp forums there though. That's what I come here for. GW has some heavy, heavy hitters there.  Wilhelm of Swink and Wilhelm and others....so please don't denigrate GW...there's lots of people there who know what the hell they're doing and talking about, and decades of experience to back it up.  Also lots of people who don't.  

Kirk unless your spelling and grammar improve..I'm going to have to start thinking that your complaint was one regarding your peers. April
 
  • #113
Phil, Thanks for relegating John to the bowels of-------This has been 11 or 12 pages of the most wasted crap I have ever read! Makes a person wonder why everybody is crying. Nothing to cry about. I have plants that need me. Everything else is unimportant. I mean, I came here to talk about the love in my life, CP. Why the rest of you are here, is now in question, as far as I am concerned. You can say whatever you want as far as it goes with me. But, cruelty, anger, untolerance , and hostility, will be met in a proper manner. I will delete anyone on these forums, if I feel it is in bad taste. But, I will PM the member and tell them why. They have the chance to write back, and tell me I am an idiot, or whatever. But delete you I will, but always with the reason why. I do not do it often though. Most people here keep it as cool as they can. Spec, John, SunDoode, crossed the line for the last time, and I think the rest of you need to think about what has been said here. We do our best. And as life will have it, we get to fall on our faces from time to time. Sorry for our imperfections, but we are human too.
 
  • #114
I'm speechless(well almost
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)It took me about 40 minutes to read all this.I just wanna say that what Caslock said was awesome,IMHO.I couldn't have sead it better.Also I have not been here for a long time(maybe a month)and I really like this forum! Also I just wanted to appologize to all the mods(and anybody else I annoyed)because I particapated in one of the "game" posts(only2 times tho
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)I had no idea what you mods have to go through,so I apologize for wasting your time,and I will try to watch myself from now on
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Also I don't know you Tony,but I really wish you wouldn't leave.
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I know this was a rough topic but hopefully you will change your mind and come back.Ok that's all I have to say about that.*Niki*(Trapper7)
 
  • #115
Hey Guys ---

let me clarify.

It's not the "games" --- it's not the random topics for recreation or entertainment that the mods or *I* are against.

We are against things that start spiraling out of control.... get abusive... or sometimes instigate arguments, etc.

Do as you please... but when enough is enough... let it go.

Mods don't read everything. It's simply impossible. But mods, and *I* as the owner of the board listen to imput, get private messages daily, etc on abuse - childish behavior.. etc.

Sometimes we choose to lock a topic.. or just remove it if it's gotten out of control.

But let me reiterate -- it's RARE!

It has nothing to do with who's participating, who started the topic, or any such thing... it's just determined on quality of conversation and what's actually being contributed.

There are a few members that ill never be happy... some will think we pick on them or give them worse treatment than other members.... for the record, that is INCORRECT!

We give everyone an open forum and the opportunity to speak their minds. Rarely does anything get removed.

Enjoy -- don't worry about what you're posting...

Afterall, if it's offensive or derogatory, then you should know better!

If not -- we have to leave it up to the mods, in which I give 100% trust and faith to.

-Phillip
 
  • #116
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Quote[/b] (Tony Paroubek @ Mar. 22 2005,8:12)]And you want to know the funny part?  The person who started the game thread hasn't even said one word to complain.

Consider this my last post here.  I am out of here.  Have a nice life.  I am stepping down from modship here and leaving the forum.  Anyone that wishes to contact me in the future knows how to do so already.  Please don't PM.  I will not be checking them while this account still exists.
That was my game thread that got locked. It didn't bother me that it was locked. It's their forum, their rules.

Guys, you're effectively a guest in somebody else's house as a member of a forum, and the owner has a right to be upset if you spill beer on his sofa!

If I knew what kind of s**tstorm would arise from that stupid game thread, i never would have posted it. Lesson learned.

I, for one, am very sorry for the trouble stirred up.
 
  • #117
Holy Moly. I should have signed on last night. What the heck is going on here? All I am reading is a bunch of complaining balogna about a GIFT!!

For crying out loud people! This forum is FREE! I.E. YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT! What kind of nerve must you have to complain about it?

I have been a member here for almost three years, and a mod for quite a while. I have yet to loose my cool, but I am getting dangerously close. I, and the other mods/admins, bust my butt to keep this place running smoothly because I/we CARE about it.

And all you can do is blast us?

If you have a legitimate gripe, fine. I've seen them before. I've had to appologize for them before.

However, if you gripe, and are then told my more than one mod that you are wrong, then you are wrong. Period. End of story. Drop it. If you keep fighting it, you'll just be digging yourself even deeper.

On a better note, I do see some people here that have been spoken to speaking up in our defense. That gives me some heart that at least some people can learn. I wish everyone was so open to lessons.
 
  • #118
To those of you that have expressed your appreciation to the Moderators for their hard work, I thank you.  

I am going to do something perhaps other Mods won't appreciate here, but I am going to air some laundry so some of you who perhaps think we are ogre's can get a better idea of what goes on. And since John/JRPower/Spectabalis33/Sundoode188/OneLasyKilobyte (and those are the names I remember off the top of my head) has offered up his life here as an example:

Spec was at one point a moderator, he was demoted, if memory serves, when Phil demoted several people, not because they did anything wrong, but because there were simply to many topics, to many mods, and the boards were confusing.  (I may be shady on the details here, this all happened while I was on hiatus for reasons similar to this topic.)

And I will tell you in all honesty, I don't know why Spec/Sundoode was banned initially, I basically was so disgusted with some peoples behavior that I stopped coming here for almost a year, I just stuck my head in the mod/admin forum to say Hi. BY all rights, Phil should have sacked me (and he did as Admin I am a SuperMod now.), but regardless, I have no idea why he got banned.  However, as you can see by his plethora of names, he kept trying to sneak back in under the wire, and eventually he did as Sundoode.

We didn't notice for a while, and when it finally fame to light a couple months ago that Sundoode was Spec, the mods were decisively split on whether to can his ID or let him stay.  Those of us that were perhaps more ignorant of his true self said "He's behaving now, maybe he has matured" and let him have an official second chance.  

Second Chances are something we have allowed in the past,  infact, I can remember only 2.   This was one of those instances, one of the rules I set up a long time ago was that Second Chancers would never get to 'ride the glory' of their old names, you have to come in with a new name and build yourself in the community that way.  One of Specs conditions of returning, was that he not associate sundoode to spectabalis, which he did in this topic, but even then, the ogre mods let him keep posting, or should I say string the rope around his own neck.

And this morning, our mature friend logged back in again under the name "OneLastKilobyte" to take a parting shot at Phil, that of course was deleted and the new account locked.

As far as other vauge things Sundoode implied:  Signature File, Spec was asked nicely to reduce the size of his signature, it was quite simply larger than most posts (even many of my novels that I post here!)  because he is imature, he turned right back around and reported HellZ for having a large signature file as well.  What happened?  I contacted Hellz and asked him to shrink it, did it happen immediately? NO, this is not a realtime environment, it had nothing to do with favoritism. Did some one call Spec a tattle tail and a whiner?  Yup, it was me. I let him know how it appears when you are called out for something, and then you turn around and rat out a friend for the same thing. it's WHINING. Hellz would have gotten a PM about his sig when a MOD noticed it, we don't notice everything at once folks.

I won't even comment on the game threads, I find some of them amusing, all good things in moderation is the key.

We are taking permenant measures to lock this imature child from our forums forever. A moderator has called and talked to his parents, His parents are taking measures to block him from coming here on their end as well.  We have only had to make calls to ISP's and Parents one time before that I can remember, for a racist spouting garbage on our forums.  Esteemed company he keeps.

Every mod who stood up for him and let him back on feels incredibly betrayed.

I know it's not the full story, I quite simply wasn't here for most of it. But rest assured, specs life here is finished, and it was not without it's share of 2nd and 3rd chances.  We bent over backwards for him because many of us considered him a friend, *wool over eyes*.

New policy.  NO MORE SECOND CHANCES. We have been burned every time we tried it, and we will not do it again. So, fair warning to everyone. If you do something worthy of getting banned, it will be permenant. And please, don't feel like the boogyman is looking over your shoulder, if your a good person acting responsibly, you have no reason to worry, and we tend to talk to you before things get out of hand unless it involves porn/vulgarity/racism and the like.

BTW, for those of you who still think we are oppressive, remember, mods started out as hobbyists, and that is what they are primarily, the fact that they were chosen to exert some power here speaks volumes for their charachter.  Please always keep in mind that a Mod would rather talk to you as a friend than as a mod, that they would rather spend their time here participating rather than cleaning up messes and reading stuff that doesn't interest them.  Some people think being a mod gives you cool cosmic powers and sets you apart. being a mod is simply stepping up and taking responsibilty for something you care about, this community. If mods get overzealous in their actions, keep in mind it is done out of love for this community, if they didn't love this place, and by wrote, if they didn't care about YOU, they wouldn't be spending their time here.

OH, and on a personal note, if you have no idea of what impact this responsibility has on a person, keep in mind that it KILLED my love of this hobby. I still have a few plants and will certainly enjoy their beauty... but you will notice that I don't spend much of my time in the actual plant forums here anymore, I simply don't care. Why? I can ramble off some names, Tim, MattiLord of the Pings, Porn, and the list goes on... I don't want your sympathy, so don't think that is what I am going for, I want you to understand that what my friends do here, is a hard thankless job that takes its toll. I am frankly amazed that most of the original mod crew is still here.

That being said, we now return you to your regularly scheduled forum usage.
 
  • #119
Wow....!

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First let me say I am not ashamed of my self for posting my opinion in a publicly discussable way. And, that while my post could be percieved as a flat out roast, that is not the intent. I always overdramatize things, it's just how I write. I think most of you who know me know that. I am sorry that a few or one MEMBER took it to the limit. I should have maybe been more specific so please alow me to clarify. Ozzy- I absolutly was not talking about you, I've NEVER had anything to say about you. In fact until you posted in this thread I didn't realize you were even a moderator. PAK you're good by me, and I also didn't realize at the time you guy's had to read through evey post. Tony what I will say is the wording (I could have misinterpeted) was not really fruitful. I know you guy have probably said the same thing 1000 times, but a quick explanation would have been sufficient. I don't even know if you'll read this so. Pingman(sic) I do appreciate that hortaculture is you're profession, admire even. I appreciate that you're educating people in proper nominclature usage.
I just felt a little belittled that you edited every post. I thought a little note at the first mistake would have sufficed, as most people start at the first post. That was basicly all I had to say. Other than that I think the Mods are doing a fine job. I am sorry that this thread turned into a place to publicly bash the mods. I opened it to get both sides, and it turned into a monster. My Apologie.
 
  • #120
You should never be ashamed to speak your mind here...anybody. As long it is not in a derogatory or "attacking" manner. You keep comments to the "I" words..."I think", "I feel", "I believe". Everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions. We enjoy the discussions as well. But some people use this forum (occasionally) to publicy embarrass/bash someone, air grievances and spout false propaganda. And that's not the purpose here. Its mainly EDUCATION as well as fun and fellowship with like-minded growers.

There are times that subjects come up publicly that really should be private. Any grievance should be taken to mods for solutions. That's why arguments should never erupt. The mods are here to HELP the membership with any issues you might have. And believe me...we get a lot of requests...daily. What the mods do is not always visible on the boards. A lot is "behind the scenes."

There are many of you here that have approached me with issues. So you know what kind of "behind the scenes" assistance goes on.

And yeah...we have to read ALL the posts. Or we try. We can't read every single one every single day. But between all the mods, we get most of them.
We do it because we love this community.
 
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