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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I'm sure there are hundreds of websites dedicated to the matter if you really care to find out. Its plain as daylight if you actually read the book, so I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it.
    Well, if you, who believe it and all don't care enough to tell me,(and who should be the one looking... if you're trying to convince someone of something, you don't tell them to go look it up, you look it up yourself and show it to them) I'm not going to waste my time looking for it.
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    Quote[/b] ]Its plain as daylight if you actually read the book, so I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it.
    well, I don't even understand the regular english in the bible, I'm guessing I won't understand the obscure prophesies.
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    Quote[/b] ]Um, this is all a joke, right?
    I'm starting to think some of you might be taking this stuff seriously.....
    lol. Exactly how I feel about religion.
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    "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!! EVOLUTION/CREATIONISM HATH RETURNED!!!!!"
    I like that.
    I don't understand why these debates continue to rage in thread after thread. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life - it deals with organisms changing over time. If you want god to have created life or a primordial soup with electric charges its irrelevant to the theory of evolution. Maybe if everyone would either debate evolution or how life formed instead of mixing the two together you could accomplish something.

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    I too am getting very tired of the creation vs. evolution debate going on and on, this forum is really not the place for it. There are tons of forums dedicated to nothing but the creation vs. evolution debate that would be more then happy to discuss it with you.

    I just have one question for those who believe in evolution.
    What makes something wrong such as murder, rap etc?

    For me it is very easy to decided what is right or wrong, "The Lord said... you shall..." and that is final for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Jeremiah Harris @ Sep. 04 2005,2:14)]I just have one question for those who believe in evolution.
    What makes something wrong such as murder, rap etc?

    For me it is very easy to decided what is right or wrong, "The Lord said... you shall..." and that is final for me.
    It's totally utilitarian to not murder/attack people (wow, the R word is in the profanity filter). If you want to live in a society where you feel safe and secure, there need to be as few murders as possible. Murdering someone obviously accomplishes the opposite, if you keep the big picture in mind. I guess murdering a murderous person would appear to accomplish the goal too... but it doesn't take long to see how that's hypocritical.

    In the end, what's more moral anyway... digging to find out what's really effective and ineffective in creating the society one really wants... or doing what one is told to do?

    Personally I've found that looking at things as Right/Wrong and looking at things utilitarianily (that's so not a word) tend to bring the same conclusions in the end. And the latter somehow seem to take a straighter, less confuddled route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (endparenthesis @ Sep. 04 2005,2:57)]Personally I've found that looking at things as Right/Wrong and looking at things utilitarianily (that's so not a word) tend to bring the same conclusions in the end. And the latter somehow seem to take a straighter, less confuddled route.
    And 'confuddled' is a word? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

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    Yeah, murdering etc is wrong because it's necessary for the survival of societies. Even animal societies. Maybe they don't have "laws" and it's less organized and everything, but say elephants and gorillas, etc. think it's wrong.... within their society. Just like humans. Going to war isn't inherently wrong...
    and go back 2000 years, and you will find that murder, violent act, etc. was wrong. Go back even more, same thing. It was wrong WAY before the bible, koran, torah, etc.
    Even places right now... in tribes in the amazone, etc. where they haven't been exposed to western religions, it's still wrong to do things like that.

    Look at societies that don't think that's AS wrong, and you'll see they didn't last very long. (or maybe the whole thing, say vikings survived for a long time, but not individual groups)

    same thing with all the other emotions, taboos, etc. You can explain basically all of them in the same way you can explain murder-violent act being wrong. They're necessary for societies to survive, and other animal societies have the same things.

    so as you can see, religion did NOT come up with right and wrong (unless you want to argue other animals have religion). Religion basically just stated what was already believed to be right and wrong, and everyone was just like "oh yes yes! *nodds* I agree! everything in the book must be true!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (jimscott @ Sep. 04 2005,6:43)]And 'confuddled' is a word? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]
    Probably not. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]religion did NOT come up with right and wrong
    Of course not. As you pointed out, people all over the world know there are things that are wrong, such as murder. That's because all of us have a concience built into us.

    So why does rap go against our concience? Surely it doesn't harm society - it actually creates more offspring... Elephants and gorrilllas don't think its wrong. Why do we?
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