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    I have been thinking about one of these, using one of those pre-formed ponds to bury into the ground and fill with peat/sand. I also was thinking of Northern cp only(ie S purpurea ssp purpurea and temperate Drosera). Hopefully the Summers won't be too warm, but I was wondering with a set-up like this, if I could get flowering Sarracenia (and seed eventually)?

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    Depends where you live. Here in NE florida I cannot grow rotundifolia, northern originating intermedia or filiformis ssp. filiformis outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (technoracer @ Mar. 05 2005,6:06)]i'm picturing a round area, maybe 5' in diameter and about a foot deep, lined to hold the soil and clean water. i'm thinking about his so i won't have to water everyday (as i do in the heat of summer in ohio) and for a little landscaping effect at the house. i know that i'll have to mulch for the winters, but i think that it'll pretty much take care of it's self most of the summer, provided i can keep the squirrels out of it (fencing and a moat around the outside?). should i keep the plants in their post, and just bury the whole pot in the soil? that would allow the plants to pull from the same water sourse, could look attractive, and would make it easy to dig up and divide the plants when needed.
    does anyone have a permanant install bog garden? have any picts or tips to just comments in general? what do ya think!?!

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    My bog is 18" deep, but 12" should do it (unless, as Tony states, you have large, mature sarracenia). It is permanant. My liner is not punctured. I have no problem with the water sitting too long and if it was punctured I am sure that it would dry too fast.

    I have a layered mix in the bog, trying to copy a natural compound. It consist of peat, LFS, perlite (yes perlite [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_r_32.gif[/img] , but not much), vermculite(sp), sand (good stuff), lava rock and clay. It is feed by a pond that is adjacent. I collect water in two 30 gallon cans to supply the pond when it gets dry. (I have another 30 gallon can and 30-1 gallon separates for the greenhouse and indoor plants)

    Bogs are not self sustaining and take a good amount of work. Weeds easily encroach so pull them early. I have sarracenia and vft living happily out there. I put in some intermedia and utric this last year so we shall see how they fared when I uncover the bog this week.

    My plants are not in pots, but actually in the bog. They are growing rapidly and are not difficult to divide. I keep them labeled, but I also keep backups in the greenhouse. I us iris and canna for shading purposes. I will post some pictures tomorrow.

    Pots will be detrimental to what you want. You want the plants remain moist while you are gone, but if the plants are in pots, they are limited to the soil and moisture held in that pot. They keep moisture in, but they also can keep it out. Give the roots room and watch those babies grow.

    I use pine needles and hay for a composting in the winter.
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    Joe, can it on a weekend and I will come help. Have plants, will travel.
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    I've got several inground little fens and bogs (including the kiddie pool version that holds about 200 gallons) and I started excavating for a huge one last fall that I didn't finish. Depth is about 14" in the small round one, 18" in the others, and will be about 18-24" in the biggest new bog.

    I have redirected my gutters and my sump pump is trenched underground to empty into the new large bog. Other than that, I have rain barrels now to collect water.

    My twist on bogs is just another to consider. A bog is pretty much nothing more than waterlogged organic matter like sphagnum. Bogs don't have pumps or filters. Bogs, for all practical purposes, have no drainage. Bogs are nutrient deficient and the plants best suited for them have adapted to this type of an environment. I prefer acid bogs but I do have 3 little fens.

    To start, determine what you will want to line your bog with. EPDM pond liner, roofing liner, kiddie pools, or anything that isn't metal. The first bog I created was made from a round kiddie pool that was about 14" deep. Some people convert their former ponds to bogs so basically anything goes.

    Pick a site that preferably gets about 6 hours of sun a day if not more. Have fun digging. I chose to set my kiddie pool in sand to best level it but there are other ways to do this. I think if I had to do it all over again, I'd use Firestone roofing liner for that bog as I would be able to get a more interesting shape as opposed to basic round.

    OK now you'll have a nice hole in the ground that has some sort of a liner in it. I like acid bogs so these directions are for an acid bog. For the 14" depth, I filled the bottom with silica sand up to about 4". From there I added my baled sphagnum. Now you will have to begin the arduous process of adding water. Oh what fun! This process will be much easier for you if you thoroughly mix the sphagnum and sand first.

    Water is an issue in a bog. Preferably, one would want rain water. Never use tap water. I was fresh out of rain water and had not begun to gather it from my gutters so I used bottled distilled water for set up. Distilled water or RO water are the only alternatives to rain water in my humble opinion. There is a method to the madness. A man who has forgotten more than I have ever known about bogs told me to never ever ever use anything but rain water or distilled water because, "TAP WATER WILL KILL A BOG GARDEN IN A SEASON AS WILL ANY SORT OF FERTILIZER!" Sorry to shout in this thread but that is how he wrote it to get his point across to me. OK, he's right. I checked it out and the truth of the matter is that minute amounts of dissolved minerals picked up from the air is how natural bogs are formed and is their only source of nutrients. Well, start adding your water now. Your bog will need to be anaerobic. This means you have to work out all the air. Sphagnum likes to hold air. The man who helped me told me to get in the bog and start stomping around in it as if I was squishing grapes for wine. I stomped it, squished it, kneaded it with my hands and I tell you it was sort of fun even though I felt as if the sand was removing layers of my skin. I added more sphagnum and added more distilled water until I brought the mixture up to the rim of the kiddie pond. Then it was time to work in pine needles. I chose white pine needles because they were what was recommended as a source of acid however there are other sources of acid that may work equally well. I added 3 grocery bags full of white pine needles to my bog. I did take a scissors and cut them in half. These pine needles will small you and they left hives and welts all over me when I was mixing them in. I am not into pain so it would be my recommendation to not add the pine needles until after you have mixed the sand, water, and sphagnum to a consistency of a German Chocolate Cake batter consistency. By the way, it is perfectly natural for the majority of the sand to settle to the bottom. I won't use perlite because over time it compacts and there is the issue of it "escaping" which was mentioned by another member. I also do not use vermiculite only because it is allegedly carcinogenic although there are many who believe no real cause for concern regarding health risks from vermiculite exists.

    That's really all there is to an acid bog. Now select your plants and try real hard to make sure that your sources are propagating and not wild collecting the plants they offer for sale. I am told it takes about 2 years to establish a bog. I wish the friend who held my hand while I created my first bog was a member here as he was such a wealth of information and truly was an inspiration. I have no doubt there is so much more he could add. I feel like a little kid trying to walk around in my Mom's high heels so please remember I am the student not the master. My bogs are only in their second year so I am totally new to this but still loving my carnivorous plants and bog orchids and the environment I created for them.

    PS- I borrow a mortar mixer now. Sure wish I had thought of using one of those a while ago when I was creating my first bogs and fens. Most people don't have access to one so don't feel bad if you have to "manually" mix your medium.

    Best wishes to you

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    Somehow I have a mental image of you stomping all over the media, like Lucille Ball and the grapes.

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    Tee he, no not me. I got so tired from stomping around barefoot in there that I finally sat in it and reached around squishing what ever I could reach with my hands for about an hour or so before I flat out quit. Didja ever wonder why the name LittleDirtBall stuck to me?

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    does anyone have photos of their bogs?
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