ID these 2 pings & 1 Nep. please

[8abug4fun]

I need some ID.
I know the Nep is NOT ventricosa or ventrata.
I know the Ping with the pink flower is very common but not sure if its a moranensis sub. sp or agnata or ? the other ping I just don't know.
Help please?! thanks

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[kulamauiman]

first ping. look at the underside of the leaves and see if there are glands there. It looks very much like P. gigantea (member of angnatha group). the glands on the underside of leaves is the dead give away characteristic.

 

[Wolfn]

The second ping looks like a Pirouette

 

[Exo]

Could you get a pic of the whole nep plant?

 

[BurntSnow]

The second ping could be esserenia or pirouette. First could be Agnata True Blue. Nep could be a hybrid of glabrata and ventricosa or N. spathulata x mira. Do you know if it's highland, lowland, or intermediate?

 

[8abug4fun]

Any other ventures on IDs for these guys? so far none of the above are correct & I still don't know what tey are exactly!

 

[BurntSnow]

How are you sure we're incorrect?

 

[SirKristoff]

i agree with Ping 2 looking like a Pirouette...
Ping 1 is an agnata or agnata hybrid of some sort, idk how your telling people they are wrong if you dont even know yourself.

the nep looks like khasiana hybrid of some sort..

 

[BurntSnow]

SirKristoff, I fully agree with your whole post. I'm not a nep expert, but I'll take your word for it. I can almost guarantee the first ping being Agnata, especially due to the growth of the leaves from the center, but it's the points at the tips that leave me "confluzzled". Maybe a hybrid?

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[8abug4fun]

I know the 2nd ping is not pirouette because i have pirouette & its much too big to be esseriana which I also have. the first is not gigantea because i checked for the glands on the back of the leaf as suggested by the 1st reply. Please don't get defensive. It is easily possible to know what something is NOT even if you don't know what exactly it IS. I agree that the 1st ping is probably agnata or a agnata hybrid. The Nep could be a khasiana hybrid. Is anyone familiar with N. "x emmerene"?
and...thank you all for all of your input.