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N. inermis?

  • #41
Yeah the leaf structure does point towards talangensis, and less towards pectinata. Still though they are pretty small to tell.
 
  • #42
Yea, it shouldnt take that long for the plant to get of a larger size. It puts out a leaf every week or two and each is half an inch bigger than the last.
 
  • #43
I talked to the person that the seeds originally came from. The only plants that could've possibly hybridized with this particular inermis plant are naga, bongso, pectinata and, aristolochioides. He's pretty sure they're pectinata hybrids.
 
  • #44
Where did your source collect the seeds?
 
  • #45
The plot thickens...
 
  • #46
I don't think its pectinata... seems too bright and colorful for that especially in Cthulu's specimens
 
  • #47
N. pectinata not colorful enough? You sure about that?
N_pectinata_JF_01.jpg
 
  • #48
I agree, pectinata is not exactly drab and would seem like a quite probably candidate for being a parent of this cross.
 
  • #50
This 1st plant is from the same vendor you and Paul both got yours from. I bought the last one he had just for comparison to my seedlings.
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The following 2 plants represent the 2 distinct forms that I got out of the same batch of seeds from the same provenance as the above plant. There are vast differences in pitcher, lid and, ala morphology between these 2 forms.

Form #1. I would say that these plants are of the same hybrid origin as yours and Paul's. The pitchers all start out looking exactly like the above plant then start producing pitchers like these.
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Form #2. This form may be a separate hybrid ( since technically every seed pod on any particular plant could have been pollinated by a different paternal plant ) or could just show variation in pitcher morphology within a singular hybrid. Notice the difference in pitcher and lid shape as well as the enlarged ala and distinct teeth on the peristome.
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  • #51
Wow definitely a difference in the ridges of the peristome in seedling #2.
 
  • #52
Form#1 looks like talangensis to me while form#2 seems more like singalana.
 
  • #53
This 1st plant is from the same vendor you and Paul both got yours from. I bought the last one he had just for comparison to my seedlings.

The following 2 plants represent the 2 distinct forms that I got out of the same batch of seeds from the same provenance as the above plant. There are vast differences in pitcher, lid and, ala morphology between these 2 forms.

Form #1. I would say that these plants are of the same hybrid origin as yours and Paul's. The pitchers all start out looking exactly like the above plant then start producing pitchers like these.

Form #2. This form may be a separate hybrid ( since technically every seed pod on any particular plant could have been pollinated by a different paternal plant ) or could just show variation in pitcher morphology within a singular hybrid. Notice the difference in pitcher and lid shape as well as the enlarged ala and distinct teeth on the peristome.

Curiouser and curiouser! Thanks for that additional data. This is a delicious mystery!

Paul
 
  • #54
The pitcher just opened:
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  • #55
Hard to tell so early... Im pretty sure there were multiple males involved in this.
 
  • #56
It's really hard to say for certain with small seedlings, even more so with wild seed where it could be more than one potential other partner! Most likely the picture will be clearer as the plants mature. N. talangensis and pectinata are noticeably different and their differences should become more apparent as the plants exhibit more mature features. The leaf/tendril junction is not a really good indicator because it is not specific enough to one species over another. Many nepenthes have tendrils that are more on the underside of the leaf and don't come right off the apex. Not to mention that tendril attachment can change dramaticially as plants mature, so age can play a big factor.

Photos of N. gymnamphora Talakmau purple clone (this could be N. pectinata..??). IF the information is correct this is from a different location but I post these photos to highlight my point above about using the leaf/tendril attachment.
NgymnamphoraBEPurpleselectCR.jpg


Overall plant:
Ngymtalak1.jpg


leaf/tendril attachment
Ngymtalak2.jpg


EDIT:
Just adding one more to the pile for comparison:
N. gymnamphora seed grown. Not sure the location.
Ngymseed.jpg
 
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