Laura, the Yellow River gulfensis stands were huge! They lived along a main power company cut, and were doing just fine, creating many leaf and color forms, and a beautiful place to spend a day observing plants in the wild. Once maintained by "Bush Hogs" for cutting down brush in the power company right of way. Some genius decided that herbicides were cheaper, and killed everybody with one pass. Luckily, seeds were kept from this site, and seed and plants have been distributed. One of the NASC's projects, will be to restore this site with seed and plants originally from this area. Any other questions, Laura??