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Is this rope strangling our tree?

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  • #21
Starman... BLAAAHCK
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-Holding in anger-

Something really tells me you made up that story...
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Here in california, many oak trees grow through fences, etc... They do just fine... A rope is NOT going to kill a tree... Look up "Bofante Gardens". It's about 50 miles from here. A man there did stuff like that to trees to make amazing growth patterns. They didnt die...

Ropes dont "cut" into trees! The trees grow around them. In fact, Our tree had a rope around it. I'll borrow my dads camera and take a picture of it
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  • #22
It will either kill the tree or damage it. Even if it grows round the rope, the tree will loose vigour and its health wont be so good.
 
  • #23
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Quote[/b] (Starman @ Sep. 04 2004,2:21)]It will either kill the tree or damage it. Even if it grows round the rope, the tree will loose vigour and its health wont be so good.
Very unlikely...
 
  • #24
So what if it is? better safe then sorry. Ppl said that they are immune from cancer, and they get cancer. Its unlikely, but it happens. Same witht the tree. It is not that high a chance that it will die or lookse vigour, it might happen, and then it will be too late to change anyhting. It will be a waste of a 20-25 year old tree.
 
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Quote[/b] (Starman @ Sep. 04 2004,11:04)]So what if it is? better safe then sorry. Ppl said that they are immune from cancer, and they get cancer. Its unlikely, but it happens. Same witht the tree. It is not that high a chance that it will die or lookse vigour, it might happen, and then it will be too late to change anyhting. It will be a waste of a 20-25 year old tree.
Is a rope cancer? No.

you're right, better safe than sorry... Keep that rope on there! Don't want to introduce pathogens
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Especially in Alaska... Would probably kill the tree from the cold also (Freeze the sap)
 
  • #27
i rarely agree with spec but this time i'm backing him up 100%.

and no one is immune to cancer, whomever thinks they are immune to cancer is stupid.
 
  • #28
I would be on the " Don't cut the rope " side of this debate . I've seen lots of trees grow like that in many ways , fences , ropes , wire , etc , etc . Theres even this big fat fig tree that's growing between a house and a wooden rack that's part of the house and the tree still looks pretty happy . The tree would just grow over the ropes , cutting it would probaably lead to an infection and kill the tree even more . So in my opinion , not cutting the rope would be more safe that sorry . If the tree looses it's vigor then give it viagra (Superthrive)
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  • #29
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Quote[/b] (Starman @ Sep. 03 2004,4:53)]Youre wrong. Someone tied a rope round a tree in Bosnia when I was 4, buy the time I was 7 the rope completely cut into the trunk and the tree died.
UI would suggest cutting this rope, better safe then sorry, this rpe will severly damage the tree if you leave it, it will cut into it as the tree grows and the tree will die.
Ok you were 4 when you saw this. Hhhm well hope your memory was good then and when you turned 7 , were you sure the tree died because a rope cut into it . For all I know , there can be numerous reasons why the tree died : Disease , old age , insects , lightning , got turned into a wooden chair and table ; hey i can go on forever !

Also , how do you know that the rope will kill the tree ?

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  • #30
those of you who say dont cut the rope are all very mistaken. The tree is a LIVING ORGANISM, and should be respected as such. Spec, you are completely wrong.
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Heres why. Yes if the rope simply crosses part of the tree (with fences, other trees and such), the intact portion of the tree will speed up the transportation of nutrients and oxygen to compinsate for the loss of vacular tissue. However, if the rope encercles the whole tree, there is now no way for it to get food and nutrients from its roots, and will starve/choke/suffecate.

Want to know what that would be like? Put a rope around your neck and pull very tightly. Thats what happens to abused puppies that come in to our animal shelter sometimes, the owner is so inattentive that the collar become inbedded in the animals neck as it grows. skin grows around it, but it will sever the blood vessles and choke it eventually. It looks 'healed' on the outside, but its wreking havoc on the inside... the parts you CANT see.
 
  • #31
BUt the problem with that rationale though is that trees aren't nearly as complex as we are. I fyou cut our arm off we won't grow 10 new ones. Just like if you were to put a rope around a baby tree and another one around a baby human the tree would survive while the baby would die. The difference is the tree is NOT getting strangled. Instead of being strangled it is growing around and accomodating the rope which is something an animal can not do. If you want I will show you a pic of a maple tree in my back yard that accomodated and entire metal fence. IN fact it was thriving till I had to cut it down with a chainsaw because it was tearing up the powerlines. Right now their tree is starting to grow around the rope so the bark is probably grown raw around the rope where is in order to grow around it. Therefore if the rope were to be removed it would expose an unprotected part of the tree which could result in the tree getting an infection and dying anyways.
 
  • #32
OK here is the pic I promised. Keep in mind this tree has been "strangled" by a fence, cut down with a chainsaw, and hacked at with a machete but it is still producing hundreds of offshoots on the section above the fence. Yep this tree sure does look like it is losing it's vigor
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  • #33
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Quote[/b] (Finch @ Sep. 06 2004,7:05)]those of you who say dont cut the rope are all very mistaken. The tree is a LIVING ORGANISM, and should be respected as such. Spec, you are completely wrong.
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Heres why. Yes if the rope simply crosses part of the tree (with fences, other trees and such), the intact portion of the tree will speed up the transportation of nutrients and oxygen to compinsate for the loss of vacular tissue. However, if the rope encercles the whole tree, there is now no way for it to get food and nutrients from its roots, and will starve/choke/suffecate.

Want to know what that would be like? Put a rope around your neck and pull very tightly. Thats what happens to abused puppies that come in to our animal shelter sometimes, the owner is so inattentive that the collar become inbedded in the animals neck as it grows. skin grows around it, but it will sever the blood vessles and choke it eventually. It looks 'healed' on the outside, but its wreking havoc on the inside... the parts you CANT see.
whoaa man, think before you post!

FIRST, am I a tree? NO. Are puppies trees? <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>NO!</span> Do trees have soft necks that can break? NO! Those are REDICULOUS comparisons.

SECOND, trees arent "STUPID". it isnt going to grow to its death if theres a rope tied around it (yes, trees to have a sence of whats around them, whats toutching them, where they've been cut, and if its dangerous) they arent going to GROW into the rope in such a way that KILLS them! Do trees get oxygen from the roots? Yes, but most comes from the LEAVES. FOOD comes from the roots too, but mostly the leaves. however, they will die of thirst if there is no way to get water. Do you know how trees grow? All they have to do if they encounter a rope is make the "viens" grow "in", go "OVER", and the things just fine... Well, maybe an illustration would help...

And perhaps scottychaos could shed you some light on it, since it IS a form of adaptation/microevolution.

Please, think before you post outbursts/accusations/flames at someone.

Regards,

-Spec
 
  • #34
Note the callus in that picture finch. See how it sorta grew "AROUND" it by having it grow "OUTWARD"? Kinda like bypass surgery.
 
  • #35
Also one thing I would like to note about my pic is that it has grown over 3-4 of the links so it has done it multiple times and it is still thriving like crazy. PLants are remarkable little critters some of the most datable things on earth. A little rope or fence isn't going to stop them.
 
  • #36
Actually in a week or two when I move back to college I will be able to provide a photo that gives 100% undeniable unarguable proof about the ability of a tree to grow around something. Basically here in columbus there is a giant oak tree about 6-7 feet wide that grew around a gigantic slab of concrete and is almost unnoticable. IN fact I didn't know it was there till I was walking around campus look for cicadas when I noticed it. It is pretty amazing I thought
 
  • #37
ALright everyone calm down. Spec, the roots need oxygen and food from the trees leaves and the leaves need nutrients from the roots. When did i say trees DIDNT go outward? Obviously they do, im not stupid. and when did I say trees were stupid? obviously both of us have some thinking to do. Um allosaurus id you read what i said?
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Quote[/b] ]Yes if the rope simply crosses part of the tree (with fences, other trees and such), the intact portion of the tree will speed up the transportation of nutrients and oxygen to compinsate for the loss of vacular tissue
in other words, the tree will do fine. The Aumr maple in your picture is obviously no worse for wear. Im not saying that fences will kill it. Imm saying if it encercles the whole tree, that will kill it.


the process of of killing a tree in this manner is called Girdling

Girdle

definition;

 an encircling or ringlike structure ;
-To cut a girdle around (a plant) so as to kill by interrupting the circulation of water and nutrients-; "girdle the plant", deaden
 
  • #38
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Quote[/b] ] I fyou cut our arm off we won't grow 10 new ones.

Saying that all trees can produce sprouts and suckers is like saying that all humans are top atheletes, or work in a office.

Some tree species produce sprouts when damaged; others will not. For example, Basswood produces many sprouts- blue spruces does not.
 
  • #39
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Quote[/b] ]ALright everyone calm down. Spec, the roots need oxygen and food from the trees leaves and the leaves need nutrients from the roots. When did i say trees DIDNT go outward? Obviously they do, im not stupid. and when did I say trees were stupid? obviously both of us have some thinking to do. Um allosaurus id you read what i said? Quote  
Yes if the rope simply crosses part of the tree (with fences, other trees and such), the intact portion of the tree will speed up the transportation of nutrients and oxygen to compinsate for the loss of vacular tissue
in other words, the tree will do fine. The Aumr maple in your picture is obviously no worse for wear. Im not saying that fences will kill it. Imm saying if it encercles the whole tree, that will kill it.


the process of of killing a tree in this manner is called Girdling

Girdle

definition;

an encircling or ringlike structure ;
-To cut a girdle around (a plant) so as to kill by interrupting the circulation of water and nutrients-; "girdle the plant", deaden

Uhm! Those two posts are quite contradictory!

Seems to me that it was you who needed to calm down. The rest of us are calm while you're huffing and puffing. You were the one making accusations and flashing mad faces everywhere.

Pretty much you DID say they dont grow outward, otherwise your whole post woulda been nonsence... Where do you get that you DIDNT say that?

In your posts, your pretty much saying trees are stupid, otherwise you wouldnt have posted at all.

Who said all trees produce sprouts and suckers? What is your point in your last post?

You should think your posts through thouroghly before clicking "add reply". Especially if your going to contradict everything you said.

Have a nice day,

-Spec
 
  • #40
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Quote[/b] (Finch @ Sep. 06 2004,9:38)]ALright everyone calm down. Spec, the roots need oxygen and food from the trees leaves and the leaves need nutrients from the roots. When did i say trees DIDNT go outward? Obviously they do, im not stupid. and when did I say trees were stupid? obviously both of us have some thinking to do. Um allosaurus id you read what i said?
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Quote[/b] ]Yes if the rope simply crosses part of the tree (with fences, other trees and such), the intact portion of the tree will speed up the transportation of nutrients and oxygen to compinsate for the loss of vacular tissue
in other words, the tree will do fine. The Aumr maple in your picture is obviously no worse for wear. Im not saying that fences will kill it. Imm saying if it encercles the whole tree, that will kill it.


the process of of killing a tree in this manner is called Girdling

Girdle

definition;

 an encircling or ringlike structure ;
-To cut a girdle around (a plant) so as to kill by interrupting the circulation of water and nutrients-; "girdle the plant", deaden
If you didn't notice the fence was completely girdling the entire tree, Basically around 20 or so years ago a branch grew through the fence thus being girdled by the fence. IN other words the tree was completely encircled by the fence then the tree grew bigger and absorbed the fence that was encircling it. BAsically you seem to think (and I don't want to put words in your mouth) that as the tree grows it will be strangled. In reality though the tree absorbs the rope once the two sides grow around the rope the tree can resume growing without being strangled. The tree is simply growing around the rope and absorbing it. It won't strangle the tree once the rope has been absorbed.
 
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