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    Barry points out over and over that growing Sarrs in you backyard* and shipping their seeds to every corner of the globe is not conservation. Conservation is protecting, preserving and restoring the natural habitat and the natural/native populations.

    Then there's the possibility that the guy is not selling oreophila seeds at all, just some other species or hybrid. After all it will take 2-4 years, if ever, for some one to determine what the seeds actually are

    *Unless of course your backyard is their natural habitat. Lucky you, need a housesitter?
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    Amen, Bugweed ! Do it right or don't do it at all.
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    If someone who might otherwise be in the market for a poached plant can be satisfied with a captive-bred plant or even some seeds, that's conservation. As I said, NASC members shouldn't condone what the seller is doing, but it's far from the greatest threat to Sarracenias. CITES can seem like a really stupid law in this situation yet, like many laws, it's better than any plausible alternative. In a situation like this, nevertheless, I look the other way and tell Colonel Klink, "I see nothing."
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    Bruce!! I am suprised at you! You want a few oreophila seeds?? Say 50 or so? I give them for free. Money is what is the worst thing about CP. Especially Peter's prices at California Carnivores. nice plants, yes, but overpriced because of a dollar value placed on what should be available to everyone. So when you coax this guy to break the law, do it without me!!!!
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    And if the seeds are poached and not home grown as the seller claims how is that conservation? The seller makes no effort to distribute the seeds legally, nor to show that they were obtained legally.
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    No matter how you slice the pie, selling s. oerophila seed or plants worldwide, or across state/provincial lines, you have broken international law. Why you see this as a good thing, is beyond me. Money is NOT what these plants are about, and poaching plants for a profit is just plain criminal.
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    Auction over, zero bids. Ha Ha!
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    I'm not coaxing that person to break the law and see the sale as a bad thing, but not the worst thing for Sarracenias. There are plenty of oreophilas in captivity and the odds against those being poached seeds are astronomical. I'm glad there are plenty of people with seeds to spare and it helps reduce the poaching pressure. I wish that seller were like Bugweed and others here who aren't just looking to cash in on a harvest of seeds. But habitat loss is why oreophilas have so few places left to live, other than for pots in yards. Even if the last wild oreophila is lost to poaching, it'll be habitat loss that brought the species to that point and CITES does nothing about that.

    I won't deny there's a some devil's advocate in what I've written. A mob attack under the cover of reports to eBay does accomplish something, but it doesn't accomplish a lot. NASC's reaction to things like this eBay sale could be to try coaxing "offenders" into being part of our solution. It would have to be one person, representing everyone, who tries to make the contact and establish a dialogue. It might work, at least some of the time.
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    I hate to rain on the parade here, but I can tell you guys from "extensive experience": eBay will not pursue legal matters with items that specific laws in specific regions say is illegal. They will not do it. They will not release the information of their users to police for these things. They will not join you on your crusade.

    The best you can hope for is that they pull the auction in a timely manner, but all the seller needs to do is return with another account. I've seen it a million times in a million different ways.

    Reports them if it makes you feel better, or if it's just the right thing to do, but don't be too disappointed when they come back in a week. It will happen.

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    I don't think there are restiction on S. oerophila in Canada. So unless he has sent these seed across International borders he has done nothing wrong...

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